FY21 Chief Selection Board

[Guest YN Uno]

5 minutes ago, Aircrew Operator said:

Got the S!!!!!!!!

Congrats to you!!

[Guest mmn1ss]

Congrats to the FTS/SELRES that made it. Now the rest of us active duty folks can sit here for the next month and have our own private freakouts.

[Guest AG1 Clark]

Unfortunately, I was not selected.  What a bummer.  I suppose that means that I will just have to work harder next cycle.

[Guest BOXKICKERUNO]

LSC(SEL)! Good luck to the rest of you guys! And if you didn’t get it this year keep pressing, January is right around the corner! 

[Guest Kit718]

Not selected for MAC, WTH

 

Masters degree

ATTWO & TACSUP weapons release designation letters

Navy COM from recent deployment

LPO during successful mobilization in 5th fleet

SJPME I

2 warfare pins from deployment

3M LCPO/DIVO

775 NEC

 

[Tony]

If anyone gets hold of the NAVADMIN, please post.

[Guest BOXKICKERUNO]

https://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/messages/Documents/NAVADMINS/NAV2020/NAV20280.txt

[Guest León]

Congrats to all of the FTS/SELRES that got selected!

[Guest León]

So, now that FTS/SELRES results are over with is the 27 still a firm date for the active duty quotas?

[Guest navyordie123]

5 hours ago, León said:

So, now that FTS/SELRES results are over with is the 27 still a firm date for the active duty quotas?

That sounds like a good day. 

[Guest FCAguy]

12 hours ago, Kit718 said:

Not selected for MAC, WTH

 

Masters degree

ATTWO & TACSUP weapons release designation letters

Navy COM from recent deployment

LPO during successful mobilization in 5th fleet

SJPME I

2 warfare pins from deployment

3M LCPO/DIVO

775 NEC

 

In your words, what do you think you were missing or should have potentially done or had better stated inside your record?

[Guest GuesserOfWeather]

On 10/19/2020 at 4:50 PM, AG1 Clark said:

Unfortunately, I was not selected.  What a bummer.  I suppose that means that I will just have to work harder next cycle.

Keep striving it will Happen in Due Time! 

[HMtoCTN]

21 hours ago, León said:

So, now that FTS/SELRES results are over with is the 27 still a firm date for the active duty quotas?

Haven’t seen anything official. This is my guess since E8/9 quotas came out 3 days after panel 3 convened

[HMtoCTN]

Hey y’all so I’ve received some notes that are def good for all E6 and up to be aware of. Notes from a MCPO that sat the 8/9 board this year

 

Bottom line is that our boards are now very similar to statutory boards and the way that 95% of the Chiefs and below think happens at the boards are not accurate. Review the selection board brief from PERS-803 on NPC, it is gold.
1. Every single record will be briefed in the tank, all of them. We used to only brief the last select and first three non selects the tank. I cannot stress this enough; EVERY record will be briefed. So the old adage of “press 100 now” only applies to Officer FITREPs isn’t even close to true, we use it to brief and we will put it on the screen if we see it on an eval appropriately.
2. The Enlisted Career Path is the grading criteria we use exclusively. It’s all there for you to review. It used to be known as the LADR. CMCs and COs should ensure that the evals are written to support these ECPs. If you are missing anything required from the ECP you are not fully qualified. From there the more you have from the ECP is what makes you best qualified. This is why the precept and convening orders haven’t changed anymore, the map is the ECP.
3. The entire record is up for review, the 5 year myth is just that, a myth. The only actual 5 year requirement is for adverse matter and is supported via the precept.
4. Mandatory briefing items are the letter to the board and any field code 38 (adverse matter). The point is the power of the letter to the board, if there are unique circumstances, things that look off, or just information you feel is important than tell us in the LTB. The briefer must brief the contents as well as the President will read it. This rules out us having to read into anything, just give it to us. Back to back shore because of co-lo, HUMS that you are willing to talk about, declines in performance for personal reasons, etc. are all great to let us know what’s going on, it gives us “buy-in” to sell you.
5. For the enclosures of the LTB, if it’s a big ticket item that you want to ensure we do not have to dig out then sent it. Look at the PSR, if there is a degree listed don’t send it. If you have 8MTS don’t send the cert. If you have 8CFL don’t send the des, etc. MOVSMs don’t often make it to the OMPF or were received so far back we may not catch it, send it. J/PPME send the certs, it’s a pain to dig out via the 1070/881 and that’s assuming you have an up to date one. USMAPs, send them. Do not send random designation letters, the ECP is clear, collaterals with DOCUMENTED impact, a designation letter does not give me impact.
6. Evals are crucial. For an E-6 and above eval they should always have these three bullets; job, collateral with impact, mess involvement. If you do not have one of those then our ability to sell you as a 360 Sailor is lessened. Off duty education and volunteerism are good to have but only after you’ve hit the main 3 wickets. Additionally, you can prove those by sending in the transcript, degree, MOVSM, etc. so keep the text for what’s really important. Statements from the CMC and MMCPO did carry weight so consider those in there as well. Also look at making original openers and closers, we brief those often and really strong good ones are an easy brief compared to canned versions used year after year.
7. If you do not have collateral impact and mess involvement it won’t go well, I’m stressing that twice. The only way around that is someone who has had a career of EPs and even then could be hit or miss. If you’re in a position where those are impossible than it needs to be explained, i.e. BUPERS SDC dets, FMS, GPP, etc.
8. Air gaps are killing people. An air gap is when a reporting senior had the opportunity to give a higher promotion recommendation and didn’t. For Chief Select close out this killed some. Do not negate the prior 10 months of their performance thinking you are giving them room to move up or a fair shake when you rank them all as Ps. This crushes them, if they were the best First Class up to when the results came out why not say that? If you transfer a Sailor with an air gap you are telling the board something, use that only when it’s warranted.
9. Aviation RSCA is getting out of control, some COs have over a 4.4 RSCA for E-7 and above, what does that say about a 4.7 compared to a RSCA of 3.7 and the same individual trait average? SPECOPS and Surface do much better job of this. CMCs and COs should be working together to manage RSCA and not set Sailors up for failure. RSCA is a highly briefed item and what we use to distinguish Sailors from each other, we owe it to our Sailors to manage this better.
10. Look for missing evals on your ESR, if there are missing evals send them in. We had Sailors that had phenomenal records but were missing their most recent evals, we had no choice but to knock that record down due to not being able to score the record.
11. Adverse matter will only be information that affects pay. Don’t assume because you knew a Sailor went to mast that the board knows it. If it’s not on the eval or a PG-13 we don’t know it happened. COs need to ensure they are following the mandatory reporting requirements for E-6 and above to ensure that doesn’t happen IAW MILPERMAN 1616-040.
12. Career Summaries are not a bad thing, just don’t send 4 pages. In the last 3 boards I’ve sat I’ve yet to have a grader complain about a summary, in fact most of like them for QA’ing ourselves and a quick checklist of important things for us to go verify. Personally I like them. I know the old thought was don’t send it. Same concept for the LTB. If it’s big send it, you’d rather know you did than trust we didn’t miss it, use caution here and don’t send us 42 items, I assure you that we will discuss that as well and it doesn’t look good, think big ticket ECP items.
13. For COs, if a Sailor is jumped on the rankings something needs to be said about it, do not leave it up to us to try and figure out especially if they are performing well and just got outperformed. If they are not performing well then hold them accountable, or just don’t say why they got jumped and we will most likely assume the worst but that shouldn’t be our job to do.

[Guest León]

OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!

[Guest NC1 EL]

I just recently heard that your year group matter as well. Has anyone else? If so let me know, because I went on NPC career overview for my rate and others and seem to fall in line with what my source is telling me.

[Guest Helo_AO]

14 hours ago, NC1 EL said:

I just recently heard that your year group matter as well. Has anyone else? If so let me know, because I went on NPC career overview for my rate and others and seem to fall in line with what my source is telling me.

I wonder how it factors in if that’s true. 

[Guest AO_Beast]

17 hours ago, NC1 EL said:

I just recently heard that your year group matter as well. Has anyone else? If so let me know, because I went on NPC career overview for my rate and others and seem to fall in line with what my source is telling me.

What was your source telling you? If you don't mind sharing, I would be interested in hearing this. Its like you learn or hear something new about the selection board process every year. 

[Guest NC1 EL]

14 minutes ago, AO_Beast said:

What was your source telling you? If you don't mind sharing, I would be interested in hearing this. Its like you learn or hear something new about the selection board process every year. 

This was actually the third time I heard this, but I ignored it because I always was told its all based on your records and LTB. I know plenty on NC's who have every single check in the box. They have everything that PO1(IW/FMF) posted about, but still haven't made and they been up for Chief before me. 

My sources told me that if you’re up for E-7 advancement and your year group falls under the quota line, they don't even look at your record long. He explained it further by giving a example:

So if you join the Navy in 2005 and that year group has 10 available billets for advancement and lets say there's 10 E6s who made board from that year group then all will get advanced. He gave me the same scenario, but there's 20 E6s up for advancement then those 20 people will be briefed to compete for advancement.

Honestly I don't know how true this is, because nobody knows except the people who sit the board. I believe it has something to do with it, because a few E6s who got selected this cycle did not even come close to having every check in the box but they still made it first time up. I'm truly happy for them, but wish somebody can give us a real answer on how this board works from "A to Z" and don't leave anything out! 

[Guest Helo_AO]

That’s pretty interesting! So hypothetically, because of my YG, my record may not even get briefed if it doesn’t align with available quotas for that year. Hmmm. For my rate, I’ve seen PO1’s on there last look for CPO with 18+ years in make it, and first timers with like 6-8 years in. Guess it depends on the rate too.

[Guest León]

5 hours ago, NC1 EL said:

This was actually the third time I heard this, but I ignored it because I always was told its all based on your records and LTB. I know plenty on NC's who have every single check in the box. They have everything that PO1(IW/FMF) posted about, but still haven't made and they been up for Chief before me. 

My sources told me that if you’re up for E-7 advancement and your year group falls under the quota line, they don't even look at your record long. He explained it further by giving a example:

So if you join the Navy in 2005 and that year group has 10 available billets for advancement and lets say there's 10 E6s who made board from that year group then all will get advanced. He gave me the same scenario, but there's 20 E6s up for advancement then those 20 people will be briefed to compete for advancement.

Honestly I don't know how true this is, because nobody knows except the people who sit the board. I believe it has something to do with it, because a few E6s who got selected this cycle did not even come close to having every check in the box but they still made it first time up. I'm truly happy for them, but wish somebody can give us a real answer on how this board works from "A to Z" and don't leave anything out! 

Agree on "wish somebody can give us a real answer on how this board works from "A to Z" and don't leave anything out!"

[Guest Helo_AO]

“Quotas are driven by EPA and vacancies”- from a recent board member 

[HMtoCTN]

21 minutes ago, kneppercr said:

How high above RSCA does the individual average need to be to stand out? What's competitive?

Take with a grain of salt, but what I have heard is: 

anything above the RSCA is possibly I’ve because you are above the reporting seniors average. 

but my question is when are reporting seniors RSCAs going to get under control control? Under the new guidance, in order to max out your pma+RSCA you have to be 1.25 above RSCA. So if a reporting senior’s RSCA is above 3.75, it is mathematically impossible to max out. And even then you’d have to 5.0 an eval which I don’t personally think is a legitimate rating of ANY Sailor in the Navy. 

[Guest FCAguy]

6 hours ago, kneppercr said:

How high above RSCA does the individual average need to be to stand out? What's competitive?

Thats the thing, your CO or OIC could have high RCSA and your ITA doesn't have an opportunity to decouple much from that. The further you are from it, the more it effects your average you get for exam.

Last evaluation being #1 EP netted me 4.57 and RSCA was 4.05.. that gave me an average of 4.8 for that evaluation with the extra points.

Mine avg going into test is 4.55 .. I was told that was OK. Spoke to others in my rate.. consensus was majority had around 4.1 to 4.3. If that seems high, it may just be good sailors I was asking. 

 

Not sure if any of that made sense or if I was all over the place. Hoped I could help some..

[Guest PO1Oz]

8 hours ago, PO1(IW/FMF) said:

Take with a grain of salt, but what I have heard is: 

anything above the RSCA is possibly I’ve because you are above the reporting seniors average. 

but my question is when are reporting seniors RSCAs going to get under control control? Under the new guidance, in order to max out your pma+RSCA you have to be 1.25 above RSCA. So if a reporting senior’s RSCA is above 3.75, it is mathematically impossible to max out. And even then you’d have to 5.0 an eval which I don’t personally think is a legitimate rating of ANY Sailor in the Navy. 

I resent that. 

 

Respectfully,

5.0 EP Sailor.

 

So, in talking to my last CMC who sat the board, (and this is also briefed on the NPC board brief power point) they look at how high you are above RSCA and your group average. The higher the better. Also, your average has to have substance behind it. In my defense, I have NEVER ever seen one, let alone on my name, so I was shocked to say the least.  From what I've been told from a Senior Chief who once was the 5.0 EP before he got selected to Chief, it was to send the board a message that they want YOU. I did ask my current MC about the 5.0, and he said they are unicorn rare on the board, so you don't have to think you're competing against a slew of them.