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Guest Stazz
1 hour ago, PO1(IW/FMF) said:

I am still undecided about a career summary. They still have to go verify everything you put on it. What I would love to hear someone put some clarification on is things in block 44 like PPME/SEJPME cert. I hear equally “if it’s in your record, don’t send it” or “send it so it doesn’t get overlooked”.  He mentioned all documents of winning SOQ or JSOQ. Even though it’s on an eval, should I send my cookie cutter LOC that I got for winning JSOQ from 2012? Wish I could actually sit down with someone who has sat a recent board to go through my I love me book and recommend things to send in

I'm beginning to see the career summary like a resume, highlighting what you deem important, i.e. items listed in the convening order (formerly board precept). I've always been told certs are good to submit because a whole page that says Master Training Specialist is easier for old, tired MCPO eyes to see than "qualified MTS" in an eval. As for a JSOQ from 2012, probably not worth sending in.

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Guest PO1Oz

Hey Y'all, long time reader first time poster. Wanted to chime in with some info as well. This is my 8th time going up, and hopefully last. I had the luck to land at a command where the prior CMC had sat on boards and he was able to shed some light on a few things.

First, since career summary page is in the discussion, he mentioned while it's not required and some MC' might frown at it, he said most like it as it paints a picture of the Sailor for them, and they go verify that info.

Secondly, he mentioned 3 NEC's that are highlighted in red on everyone's PSR if they do have them. Forgot the third (sorry) but the first two he said were 9502 (805A) Instructor and Hazmat NEC 9595. I do think the first was RDC. he mentioned that there are milestones to each of those NEC's that they specifically look for if you have them. for instructor he said MTS, so if you have that, he said to send the cert no matter what so it does not get overlooked. His exact words were "if they can't find it, you just sealed your fate for that cycle" .

On hazmat (I asked because I have the NEC) he mentioned that they look in the evals/awards to see what you did with the program. Didn't expand too much on it except "if you did well, you get points".

Now as far as my LTB this year, I am looking at submitting 13 enclosures. I am definitely doing the career summary sheet. They can't deduct points for their personal feelings about an enclosure. I think I have a fair shot this year, but my reasoning for submitting a summary sheet is to paint a complete picture of my career way past the 5 years. I do have accomplishments that I think are worth mentioning.

 

 

 

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So I’m a little ashamed to admit that I finally noticed that my OMPF is missing my first 4 evals. What’s  worse is I only have one of them. And the former command def does not have record of them anymore. But I have my 3 Statements in Lieu of Missing Evaluations typed up and cover letter for the eval I do have and will get those mailed out to PERS today. Any idea how long it takes that stuff to get into the record and show in OMPF?  I don’t want to draw attention to it in my LTB if I don’t have to. 

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7 hours ago, PO1(IW/FMF) said:

So I’m a little ashamed to admit that I finally noticed that my OMPF is missing my first 4 evals. What’s  worse is I only have one of them. And the former command def does not have record of them anymore. But I have my 3 Statements in Lieu of Missing Evaluations typed up and cover letter for the eval I do have and will get those mailed out to PERS today. Any idea how long it takes that stuff to get into the record and show in OMPF?  I don’t want to draw attention to it in my LTB if I don’t have to. 

If mailed, i typically tell folks docs should post to OMPF within 45-60 days from mailing. Now, if you're Admin team has BOL e-Submission access, then they can scan, upload and route electronically to PERS for review and approval. Honestly, not sure what the estimated post time for e-Sub but i assume it's much more efficient. V/R, Elijah

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9 hours ago, YN Uno said:

If mailed, i typically tell folks docs should post to OMPF within 45-60 days from mailing. Now, if you're Admin team has BOL e-Submission access, then they can scan, upload and route electronically to PERS for review and approval. Honestly, not sure what the estimated post time for e-Sub but i assume it's much more efficient. V/R, Elijah

I was told that for evals/eval related documents had to be snail mailed to pers 🤷🏼‍♂️

Submitting the statements and eval with LTB just to make sure. I know they won’t actually read it, but probably be more of a “he found an issue with his record and fixed it. Cool, moving on” thing

 

i actually had a real good talk with my mentor today about how it all just depends on how they take everything because what it comes down to is the confidence vote. SOQ/evals all that jazz comes down to a point system, but CPO selection is a vote of confidence which is completely subjective to each voting individual. Hopefully, me identifying and fixing an issue with my record boosts that confidence 

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Guest ASC(AW/SW/IW)

Good luck guys on the upcoming board!! If you have any questions or need help with your package, please let me know!!

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Hello everyone!

A bunch of Master Chiefs were nice enough to put together a Chief's package board review in our area. I thought I would briefly cover some of the items they spoke on to the group before they broke off and met with us individually. A lot of you probably already have this information, but I thought it wouldn't hurt:

-If you are sending anything you are generating yourself, like a Career Summary Letter, it is smart to have your CMC sign it. All the Master Chiefs in the room agreed that it gives greater credibility to said item. "Not that they don't trust you, but they probably trust a fellow Master Chief a little bit more."

-If you have an NJP or PFA failure, you aren't necessarily disqualified. What do the eval write-ups actually say? Is it still a good write-up, are you still an awesome sailor? Does the CO characterize you as an awesome sailor and acknowledge that you made a mistake and were held accountable, but you are still doing great things?

-Pay attention to the LADR or Career Paths on NPC. You may have a sailor that has nothing but EPs across the board for years on end, but doesn't have a single check mark on the LADR section for E-6 to E-7 - that won't look good. You need to have met your career path qualifications and requirements. They also said that it is a myth you need an EP to make Chief. If you are meeting the LADR and Career Path requirements and have good write-ups, you have a chance.

-I asked a question on what the general feeling is among the Master Chiefs about career summary letters. They all pretty much answered that some of the Master Chiefs love them and some of them hate them. Either way, they will still have to verify everything you put on the career summary letter in your record and if you put something on your career summary letter that isn't in your record - it doesn't look good.

-They touched on items to send in your LTB. One Master Chief said when he was going up for Chief, he would be told to send none of the stuff he had prepared for his board - then someone else told him to send select items, then another person said "You don't want to be sitting at home the day after you made it and think 'If I just sent that additional item, would I have made it?'" The point is - he doesn't drive to your house and send your mail for you. it's your mail and you decide what goes. Also crushed the myth of "don't send too much stuff, you'll make the Master Chiefs mad then you definitely won't get selected." That's not true. They have to be there for a set timeframe regardless, just keep in mind the amount of time they are allowed to devote to your record and they also have to read every line item you sent to the tank out loud.

-The last point they made is that Yes every record gets graded and every record gets briefed, but they are held to a timeline of about three records per hour minimum. A lot of the Master Chiefs go much faster, especially as the board progresses. The point being that if your record isn't straight and they have to dig and look for things that you should have in your record, they are wasting time searching for things and there is a lot of opportunity for things to be missed. Once your record is graded and submitted to "the tank" your record is put on a screen and briefed for about 30 seconds to a minute. So you basically get 20-21 minutes at the board. So make sure your record is good to go.

After that the Master Chiefs broke off and met with people one-on-one to go over their records and LTBs. A lot of you probably already know all of this, but I felt it was important to share. Have a great day!

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6 hours ago, BOATSNUGGYD said:

Has anyone seen a list of how many of each rater (fts and selres) that are board eligible?

@BOATSNUGGYD that should be able to be pulled from NAC. I will look tonight when I go in and post it if it’s there. Has to be access for a .mil domain

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Guest ITC Harley Rider

Hello all,

just wanted to share a little of what I think helped my get selected. From what I heard career summary letters are good, I personally didn’t submit one. NJPs; I have one, got selected first time up. EP Evals; Don’t have any. I did get #1 MP. So, what do I think got me selected? sustained superior performance and being a sme at my rate. I was enlightened by a MCPO when he compared my evals to some else’s that to me was definitely getting selected but didn’t, straight EP Sailor btw. Like I said, my evals are MPs but written as EPs. One major factor is having 5.0 on Professional Knowledge. It’s a big thing now. You can’t just be the collateral hog and not know your rate. Your evals need to show progression, stay above the COs average and make a climb every eval. Lastly, your ompf needs to be up to date. NO EXCUSES. I spent a lot of time updating it and getting it squared away. Submitting awards as enclosures doesn’t look good. Finally, from 3 MCPOs if you submit a designation letter, I.e DCTT, 3MTT... your evals better show the impact. Who cares if you were the 3MC asst if  block 43 doesn’t have anything about it. Whatever is in block 29 better be explained or highlighted on block 43. Lastly, make sure you are growing professionally, take some college courses or earn certifications. You growing as a person will benefit your shop and the navy. Man, sorry this was so long but I wanted to cover everything. Best of luck to all. One more thing, like mentioned on a previous comment, use the LADR and make sure you hitting those goals, LPO, WCS, rate specific watches. Check all the boxes!!

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ITC, good advice.

I have been trying to get those anchors for the past 8 years. I am now heading towards 17 years in and it seems as if I am trying way to hard. but oh well, right?  Every year I thought I had it , I did not. even with 25% quotas.  I think this year is my best shot ever though. If I don't make it, I don't know what else to do. I actually accomplished everything on the LADR you mention or career path but one, which is an aviation qualification "safe for flight" however I know plenty of people that made it wthout it and the path even says not mandatory. (I actually have a friend that has the qual and still did not make it, and has the same stuff I do)  But I do have outstanding tour on recruiting, (ROY x2) two coms, from that alone, good evals etc. My last eval I received SOY, 5.0 EP, I have my MTS from my current instructor duty, Just got my bachelors, MOVSM, PPME,, JPME,USMAP, Major collaterals, LPO at sea etc, you name it,  I did it. I have just fixed my OMPF (which I will share some info for the others to use shortly) I am submitting a Career summary sheet for the first time ever out of my 7 past tries. I have heard nothing but good things about it.

So, for others dealing with OMPF issues. I was missing my 5th, 6th and 7th nams from my OMPF. I did submit my awards to MILL_P33awards@navy.mil as instructed by NPC and my PSR was updated, but my OMPF did not. I was given the run around for 2 and a half weeks, until I said enough. I called NPC again and asked to have a "ticket" opened to clarify why my PSR was updated but my OMPF was not. Within literally 2 hours, I received an e-mail that my OMPF reflects my last 3 awards. And yes they did. So if you are having issues with them updating, ask to have a ticket opened which speed up the process. They will initially tell you that they have 45-90 days to update your record. When you are in a crunch and want to update your record, you do not have time to wait. And if anyone will say why I waited so long, I did not. All those nams I received during the past 8 months, and my admin submitted them 3 times to no avail. Just wanted to ensure everyone knows there are avenues to speed things up.

 

I have a board symposium coming up soon, so I will pass up whatever info I get from there. and if someone has questions they want answers to and do not have access to MC's that sat boards, post them up, I'll ask them and provide feedback.

 

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Guest ITC Harley Rider
11 hours ago, PO1Oz said:

PO1Oz,

 

Have you had any feedback from MCPOs that have reviewed your package? Good job on the ompf that’s exactly what you have to do.

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22 hours ago, ITC Harley Rider said:

Have you had any feedback from MCPOs that have reviewed your package? Good job on the ompf that’s exactly what you have to do.

I have heard stuff from "buy your anchors" to "maybe they elbowed your record off the table by accident (Jokingly) " to " I don't know what to say".  I have two more decent tries in my motivation before I start thinking about retirement and transition and start working on that. I will see what input I can get at this upcoming board symposium.

 

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Have a few of us at my command that are either about a year out from HYT, or getting close.  The question came up about having an approved fleet reserve and picking it up.  I have not gotten a clear answer on if picking up Chief would automatically cancel the fleet reserves approval, or if you would have to go in and request it being cancelled.

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2 hours ago, AME1 said:

Have a few of us at my command that are either about a year out from HYT, or getting close.  The question came up about having an approved fleet reserve and picking it up.  I have not gotten a clear answer on if picking up Chief would automatically cancel the fleet reserves approval, or if you would have to go in and request it being cancelled.

 

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2 hours ago, AME1 said:

Have a few of us at my command that are either about a year out from HYT, or getting close.  The question came up about having an approved fleet reserve and picking it up.  I have not gotten a clear answer on if picking up Chief would automatically cancel the fleet reserves approval, or if you would have to go in and request it being cancelled.

Got a similar question regarding TEB. The only way for me to xfer benifits to my two year old is to extend to match EAOSs to HYT. My NC1 is telling me that will flag my record for retirement and the board will look at that negativity. Spoke to a NCC while TAD who said that he’s spoke with one the guys approving these TEB request for those that fall under NAVADMIN 020/19, and he’s said that it is mandatory for TEB and the board should understand. NC1 still being cautious about the situation and avoiding my emails...WTF. 

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3 minutes ago, PO1(IW/FMF) said:

 

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Thanks,

Had some debate, that I mostly stayed out of since I didn't know, that if selected your fleet reserve was automatically cancelled.  Only thing I remembered was telling my CCC that I wanted to cancel my request when the change in HYT came out.

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Guest LS1(AW/SW/IW)
On 4/18/2019 at 9:37 AM, ITC Harley Rider said:

Hello all,

just wanted to share a little of what I think helped my get selected. From what I heard career summary letters are good, I personally didn’t submit one. NJPs; I have one, got selected first time up. EP Evals; Don’t have any. I did get #1 MP. So, what do I think got me selected? sustained superior performance and being a sme at my rate. I was enlightened by a MCPO when he compared my evals to some else’s that to me was definitely getting selected but didn’t, straight EP Sailor btw. Like I said, my evals are MPs but written as EPs. One major factor is having 5.0 on Professional Knowledge. It’s a big thing now. You can’t just be the collateral hog and not know your rate. Your evals need to show progression, stay above the COs average and make a climb every eval. Lastly, your ompf needs to be up to date. NO EXCUSES. I spent a lot of time updating it and getting it squared away. Submitting awards as enclosures doesn’t look good. Finally, from 3 MCPOs if you submit a designation letter, I.e DCTT, 3MTT... your evals better show the impact. Who cares if you were the 3MC asst if  block 43 doesn’t have anything about it. Whatever is in block 29 better be explained or highlighted on block 43. Lastly, make sure you are growing professionally, take some college courses or earn certifications. You growing as a person will benefit your shop and the navy. Man, sorry this was so long but I wanted to cover everything. Best of luck to all. One more thing, like mentioned on a previous comment, use the LADR and make sure you hitting those goals, LPO, WCS, rate specific watches. Check all the boxes!!

Chief, do you mind sharing how many years after the NJP you were selected.

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9 hours ago, LS1(AW/SW/IW) said:

Chief, do you mind sharing how many years after the NJP you were selected.

7yrs. I had to go through the ranks again since I was reduced in rate from frocked PO1 to PO3. 

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My admin chief scheduled all board eligible FCPOs for a one-on-one review of our LTB and records. It was the first time I had a Master Chief unfamiliar with aviation look at my package based on the information available in my LADR. I recommend doing this so you can get feedback from someone that does not know your rate but may be on your board.

He pointed out the two big flaws in my evals: not necessarily the back-to-back P's, but that neither one of them had at a minimum of "recommended for cpo". Just "ready for increased responsibility" or similar. The rest of the eval is written strongly but does not have a powerful closing. I have since moved into the MP category, but am shy of the RSCA by .02 (above SGA). I also don't see the peer group changing much as none of the EPs made board. What's really killing me right now is working upper level qualifications (Turn qual, SFF). My command is undergoing T/M/S transition so most of the command is going through prerequisite schools. How would I communicate to the board that command-wide we are all requalifying on new T/M/S and so it only looks like stagnation towards top level qualifications?

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Well, I sent my LTB off last week and got the confirmation all was received. Now just the long wait till August-ish. My rating (CTN) quotas are the same number for MCPOs and 5 more SCPOS this year so hoping to have a good number for CPO again. Here is to the wait everyone  🍻 

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So I went to this symposium last week. They pretty much went over the power-point that is on the NPC website. The presenter was a recorder last year so it was a good brief.

Some tidbits (Most of you know this already, but for the ones that don't)

-If your 1070/880-881 in OMPF are not up to date or messed up, print them from NSIPS and submit them as enclosures. (make sure you get your PS to fix it before you print it so it is not missing anything)

-Do not submit awards already in your OMPF. They will read those, so no reason to submit again. (won't change their image of you, but clogs up the time they spend on records)

-Summary sheets (some MC's like them, some say "what are you trying to tell me with this?"

-Ensure your PSR is up to date and matches OMPF (Awards, education etc)

-Do not highlight anything in your LTB. Scanner will gray that out.

-Use your LADR (off NPC) and point out pertinent info with your LTB rather than submitting duplicate items.

 

That's about it. After that we had MC's review our packages. They looked at our PSR,s and evals. LADR's and wishes us good luck.

Hopefully someone finds this info useful.

 

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