FY20 Chief Selection Board

[Guest NavyNC1]

That moment you’re triple double checking your Letter to the Board To kill time and you see that you addressed the letter to the president of FY-20 and at the bottom of the letter you put please include enclosures for FY-19 this next week just got 10 times longer for me...

[LS_Chief]

1 hour ago, PO1_LS said:

Are there any LSs here that maybe wouldn’t mind giving me input on how important USMAPS certifications and DAU courses like ACQ 101 and LOG 101-103 level certs actually matter. 6 of my enclosures were just those inputs. I was told as long as they aren't normal job functions of GCPC required DAU then they should hold weight as steps towards rate mastery. I appreciate the help 

The sad thing is I think it depends who is reviewing your package.  I have been told getting certs in an area you don't actively work or never actually worked is not rate mastery as you have knowledge you are not using.  I have also heard the opposite saying it shows initiative and dedication to you career field.

How have you shown rate mastery and technical knowledge in the jobs you hold?  Do your subordinates have cert and hold jobs that you are not qualified in? 

[Guest subguy10524]

In terms of rate mastery and the education and professional development moving up, the new NavAdmins and all the rhetoric coming from the CNO/MCPON are about technical in rate proficiency.  Look at the recent news stories regarding making ESWS optional.  That story said they have E3/E4 personnel qualified ESWS, but can't pass a rating exam.  Priorities are skewed.

Same with collaterals.  The focus is shifting to warfighting fist and in rate knowledge.  If you can't do your primary job when the stuff hits the fan, you are useless to your ship/boat.  The shift is in progress and the convening order fits what I expect. 

I agree with this shift and support it whole heartedly.  I don't have any collaterals currently.  I don't have the bandwidth for it.  I am a nuclear electrician on a submarine and the LPO.  Our workcenter is too large to manage effectively while still having a major collateral. 

Anyone else feel differently?

[Ord3i]

20 minutes ago, subguy10524 said:

In terms of rate mastery and the education and professional development moving up, the new NavAdmins and all the rhetoric coming from the CNO/MCPON are about technical in rate proficiency.  Look at the recent news stories regarding making ESWS optional.  That story said they have E3/E4 personnel qualified ESWS, but can't pass a rating exam.  Priorities are skewed.

Same with collaterals.  The focus is shifting to warfighting fist and in rate knowledge.  If you can't do your primary job when the stuff hits the fan, you are useless to your ship/boat.  The shift is in progress and the convening order fits what I expect. 

I agree with this shift and support it whole heartedly.  I don't have any collaterals currently.  I don't have the bandwidth for it.  I am a nuclear electrician on a submarine and the LPO.  Our workcenter is too large to manage effectively while still having a major collateral. 

Anyone else feel differently?

You hit the nail on the head brother!!!  Excellence in warfighting is the only way.

[Guest GSE1(SW) Lukeskywalker]

26 minutes ago, subguy10524 said:

In terms of rate mastery and the education and professional development moving up, the new NavAdmins and all the rhetoric coming from the CNO/MCPON are about technical in rate proficiency.  Look at the recent news stories regarding making ESWS optional.  That story said they have E3/E4 personnel qualified ESWS, but can't pass a rating exam.  Priorities are skewed.

Same with collaterals.  The focus is shifting to warfighting fist and in rate knowledge.  If you can't do your primary job when the stuff hits the fan, you are useless to your ship/boat.  The shift is in progress and the convening order fits what I expect. 

I agree with this shift and support it whole heartedly.  I don't have any collaterals currently.  I don't have the bandwidth for it.  I am a nuclear electrician on a submarine and the LPO.  Our workcenter is too large to manage effectively while still having a major collateral. 

Anyone else feel differently?

I don't see nothing wrong with this at all

[Guest PO1_LS]

2 hours ago, LS1(EXW/SW/AW) said:

The sad thing is I think it depends who is reviewing your package.  I have been told getting certs in an area you don't actively work or never actually worked is not rate mastery as you have knowledge you are not using.  I have also heard the opposite saying it shows initiative and dedication to you career field.

How have you shown rate mastery and technical knowledge in the jobs you hold?  Do your subordinates have cert and hold jobs that you are not qualified in? 

Appreciate the words of wisdom. Great questions to check myself if I am

charting the correct course 

[Guest PO Theo]

2 hours ago, subguy10524 said:

In terms of rate mastery and the education and professional development moving up, the new NavAdmins and all the rhetoric coming from the CNO/MCPON are about technical in rate proficiency.  Look at the recent news stories regarding making ESWS optional.  That story said they have E3/E4 personnel qualified ESWS, but can't pass a rating exam.  Priorities are skewed.

Same with collaterals.  The focus is shifting to warfighting fist and in rate knowledge.  If you can't do your primary job when the stuff hits the fan, you are useless to your ship/boat.  The shift is in progress and the convening order fits what I expect. 

I agree with this shift and support it whole heartedly.  I don't have any collaterals currently.  I don't have the bandwidth for it.  I am a nuclear electrician on a submarine and the LPO.  Our workcenter is too large to manage effectively while still having a major collateral. 

Anyone else feel differently?

This is exactly correct. If you've read anything from MCPON since he came into the position, you've noticed that he always uses terms related to war-fighting. This is why the convening order changed, and it's why the order of the items listed in the convening order matters.

[HMtoCTN]

29 minutes ago, PO Theo said:

This is exactly correct. If you've read anything from MCPON since he came into the position, you've noticed that he always uses terms related to war-fighting. This is why the convening order changed, and it's why the order of the items listed in the convening order matters.

So what do you think is the reason  the reserves convening order didn’t change?

[SH1(SW/AW/IW)]

Good evening,

everyone I’ve been trying to stay busy to keep my mind off results coming out soon hope all are doing well.

Question off topic: Are recruiting and RDC the hardest jobs in navy? Just asking been on recruiting duty about 8 months now and it’s been a struggle it’s harder than being a LPO on a ship I think from my experience.

[Guest Helo_AO]

10 minutes ago, SH1(SW/AW/IW) said:

Good evening,

everyone I’ve been trying to stay busy to keep my mind off results coming out soon hope all are doing well.

Question off topic: Are recruiting and RDC the hardest jobs in navy? Just asking been on recruiting duty about 8 months now and it’s been a struggle it’s harder than being a LPO on a ship I think from my experience.

Recruiting duty is definitely a challenge. That’s why it’s a CNO priority billet. It depends on your market though. I recruited in Louisiana and our market share was the biggest across four states. If you can consistently make goal and hit those sub-wickets, you’ll be fine. Low attrition also was key for our station. My old Zone Sup is now the CR at a new NTAG. The former RINC just picked up Senior. Recruiting is very beneficial, although many people will say it’s “tough” that was the best part about it for me...the challenge 

[SH1(SW/AW/IW)]

I definitely hear that a lot it’s rewarding but boy is it demanding. I’m in Cali we are a large station and the market sucks. It’s one of the most challenging things I’ve done in my 15 years in the navy.

[Guest NOLASenior]

1 hour ago, PO1(IW/FMF) said:

So why do you think the reason is that the reserves convening order change?

Reservist have many ways to develop and contribute their leadership to the Navy. Hanging out at the NOSC isn't one of them anymore. The days of the IA Reservist awaiting MOB orders are coming to a close. Within the preparatory vision of todays DoD, the next war will be unlike that of the last 18 years. Mobilization readiness is the mission of the NOSC, however,  the mission of the RC Sailor in position to be considered for a leadership position moving forward needs to come from what that RC Sailor is doing in respect to the Fleet. The function and purpose of the Reserve Force is not being diminished, but rather it's importance is being increased with the mindset of 'what do you bring to the fight?' with leadership in focus. I hope this helps in getting your NOSC Reserve Sailors off of their tablets/ phones and on to their gaining commands. Good luck and I hope to see on here good news from you.

[HMtoCTN]

1 hour ago, NOLASenior said:

Reservist have many ways to develop and contribute their leadership to the Navy. Hanging out at the NOSC isn't one of them anymore. The days of the IA Reservist awaiting MOB orders are coming to a close. Within the preparatory vision of todays DoD, the next war will be unlike that of the last 18 years. Mobilization readiness is the mission of the NOSC, however,  the mission of the RC Sailor in position to be considered for a leadership position moving forward needs to come from what that RC Sailor is doing in respect to the Fleet. The function and purpose of the Reserve Force is not being diminished, but rather it's importance is being increased with the mindset of 'what do you bring to the fight?' with leadership in focus. I hope this helps in getting your NOSC Reserve Sailors off of their tablets/ phones and on to their gaining commands. Good luck and I hope to see on here good news from you.

So my post typed wrong. I meant to ask why it DIDNT change. By not changing I am referencing the same old collateral duty paragraph and it still being higher in the list

[Guest AO1(AW/SW)]

10 hours ago, Submarinecook1stclass said:

So I sent mine in because I had a chief tell me I should even though it’s in my list eval. I’ve heard it both ways. I really think it really is what makes you more comfortable. It is you package.

So I am currently on deployment ( CVN-72) and we all had all the Master Chiefs look at our packages. The Master Chief that briefed me on my LTB and my evals was very informative. He sat on the board last year and knew exactly what to look for. He said all the MCPOS know exactly what to look for in the evals and they give us points based on breakout, or SOQ/SOY. When he looked at my LTB(which was 18 encl) I asked him that same thing about PPME and all of that. He told me specifically that I need to send LTB for every USMAP, PPME, and Degree no matter how long I received them.

First thing he told me was to not send a career summary. He asked me " If I look at your career summary can I find it in your eval? I said well of course. Speaking of which, most MCPOS that I talked to on this boat said to not do a Career summary. But to each their own.

[Guest NOLASenior]

21 minutes ago, PO1(IW/FMF) said:

So my post typed wrong. I meant to ask why it DIDNT change. By not changing I am referencing the same old collateral duty paragraph and it still being higher in the list

You are putting too much thought into the 'why' and not so much into the 'how'. My best advice is guide your Sailors to replace you. The board is STRONG on this. Good luck.

 

[HMtoCTN]

1 hour ago, NOLASenior said:

You are putting too much thought into the 'why' and not so much into the 'how'. My best advice is guide your Sailors to replace you. The board is STRONG on this. Good luck.

 

Thanks for the responses. It was a question intended to be a conversation starter. I’m not a reservist, I was just curious of others opinions. 

[Guest wvahillbilly]

so here is an out there question...  redistribution...  would one find out if they are getting redistributed during season, would they even get a say in where?  how would that all work?

 

[Guest PO1Oz]

17 minutes ago, wvahillbilly said:

so here is an out there question...  redistribution...  would one find out if they are getting redistributed during season, would they even get a say in where?  how would that all work?

 

They redistro E7-E-9 after sept all together. Could be as late as january. This also come from my cmc who was a detailer. Fleet forces actually grabs the selects, and sees if they redistro or not. Apparently detailers have no say in this process 

[Guest PO1Oz]

4 hours ago, AO1(AW/SW) said:

So I am currently on deployment ( CVN-72) and we all had all the Master Chiefs look at our packages. The Master Chief that briefed me on my LTB and my evals was very informative. He sat on the board last year and knew exactly what to look for. He said all the MCPOS know exactly what to look for in the evals and they give us points based on breakout, or SOQ/SOY. When he looked at my LTB(which was 18 encl) I asked him that same thing about PPME and all of that. He told me specifically that I need to send LTB for every USMAP, PPME, and Degree no matter how long I received them.

First thing he told me was to not send a career summary. He asked me " If I look at your career summary can I find it in your eval? I said well of course. Speaking of which, most MCPOS that I talked to on this boat said to not do a Career summary. But to each their own.

Yup! My cmc just sat the board. Of course he is a closed book, as he should, but I did ask him, “career summary sheet”? Yay or nay? (because he told me to send one, but this was before he sat his first board) and now that he sat the board, he said “not needed at all. I clicked next on every summary sheet I saw. 

He said he went back about 10 years on each record and took notes of accomplishments, and how those stacked up with the LADR. He said he will brief both cpo mess and fcpoa on things he can talk about after the season. Hopefully I made it. I couldn’t get ANY hints! Haha he even said “I wasn’t on your panel, so don't ask me, as I don’t know” of course he would

sucks knowing that someone knows but can’t say anything lol

[Guest wvahillbilly]

2 hours ago, PO1Oz said:

They redistro E7-E-9 after sept all together. Could be as late as january. This also come from my cmc who was a detailer. Fleet forces actually grabs the selects, and sees if they redistro or not. Apparently detailers have no say in this process 

dam so detailers dont get a say..  lol  but the current command your at gets to fight to keep you?  i kind of hope im on the list and go back to sea or somewhere else.  lmao

[Guest GSE1(SW) Lukeskywalker]

5 hours ago, PO1Oz said:

Yup! My cmc just sat the board. Of course he is a closed book, as he should, but I did ask him, “career summary sheet”? Yay or nay? (because he told me to send one, but this was before he sat his first board) and now that he sat the board, he said “not needed at all. I clicked next on every summary sheet I saw. 

He said he went back about 10 years on each record and took notes of accomplishments, and how those stacked up with the LADR. He said he will brief both cpo mess and fcpoa on things he can talk about after the season. Hopefully I made it. I couldn’t get ANY hints! Haha he even said “I wasn’t on your panel, so don't ask me, as I don’t know” of course he would

sucks knowing that someone knows but can’t say anything lol

Some people don't even have close to 10years lol

[Guest PO1Oz]

42 minutes ago, GSE1(SW) Lukeskywalker said:

Some people don't even have close to 10years lol

My biggest takeaway from that particular part of the discussion is they look for sustainer superior performance throughout time. They know some commands treat Sailors differently and want to get a full picture of the Sailor. But again, this is ONE Master Chief. All do it differently. He did say on some records he had enough “meat and potatoes” from just last 4 evals, but still went and looked in their past, just to get to know the Sailor better. 

[Guest PO1Oz]

3 hours ago, wvahillbilly said:

dam so detailers dont get a say..  lol  but the current command your at gets to fight to keep you?  i kind of hope im on the list and go back to sea or somewhere else.  lmao

Really depends what type command you are at. Example, at a training command, the command requests you to stay if you are in a critical billet. Example, instructor duty. They can justify it by showing a shortage in billets regardless of rank. If they start submitting class cancellations due to manning, that redistro looks elsewhere lol. Some commands may not have a say either. Eitherway, what my cmc said is that it’s a bunch of retired civilians at force that make those decisions, and detailers have no say. Sucks, but sometimes it could be a blessing. Example, you get orders you don’t want, get selected and get redistro somewhere else heh

[Guest PO Theo]

6 hours ago, PO1Oz said:

Yup! My cmc just sat the board. Of course he is a closed book, as he should, but I did ask him, “career summary sheet”? Yay or nay? (because he told me to send one, but this was before he sat his first board) and now that he sat the board, he said “not needed at all. I clicked next on every summary sheet I saw. 

He said he went back about 10 years on each record and took notes of accomplishments, and how those stacked up with the LADR. He said he will brief both cpo mess and fcpoa on things he can talk about after the season. Hopefully I made it. I couldn’t get ANY hints! Haha he even said “I wasn’t on your panel, so don't ask me, as I don’t know” of course he would

sucks knowing that someone knows but can’t say anything lol

This is good info. The whole career summary letter thing is interesting. There are some who swear by it. I guess it can't hurt though.

[Guest GSE1(SW) Lukeskywalker]

10 minutes ago, PO1Oz said:

My biggest takeaway from that particular part of the discussion is they look for sustainer superior performance throughout time. They know some commands treat Sailors differently and want to get a full picture of the Sailor. But again, this is ONE Master Chief. All do it differently. He did say on some records he had enough “meat and potatoes” from just last 4 evals, but still went and looked in their past, just to get to know the Sailor better. 

So basically if you made a mistake earlier in your career as a young sailor and if you recovered,  I've been in 11.5 years , I made mistakes cause I was young and dumb  10 years ago now I'm killing it after those hiccups .