FY16 Chief Selection Board

[Guest AWFChief]

quick question. Was the FY 16 eligible list ever released?

 

 

I remember hearing earlier that the eligible list was at the command level only this year.

 

As far as I've heard the Navy has gone away from this.  I haven't seen one in several years.  Command level would be the ESO looking in NEAS

[Guest Dusten]

I just joined this forum after lurking for many years, and I have one question for all of the seasoned First Classes, and any of the Chiefs that frequent this site. In my conversation with a Chief, he asked me what my last Eval was, I told him that my last Eval was a MP. He stated that in order to be selected for Chief, I would need an EP. Now, my question to all of you fine people is, how true is that? I didn't want to get into a debate because if I do/ do not get picked up, I will never truly know why anyway. I have heard that they make Chiefs who have Promotables and Must Promotables. Who is right?

There is a lot more to it than simply the PMA.  My buddy was selected two years ago without a single EP as an E6

[Guest]

I just joined this forum after lurking for many years, and I have one question for all of the seasoned First Classes, and any of the Chiefs that frequent this site. In my conversation with a Chief, he asked me what my last Eval was, I told him that my last Eval was a MP. He stated that in order to be selected for Chief, I would need an EP. Now, my question to all of you fine people is, how true is that? I didn't want to get into a debate because if I do/ do not get picked up, I will never truly know why anyway. I have heard that they make Chiefs who have Promotables and Must Promotables. Who is right?

Not in all cases (dependent on many circumstances), I have had many a ship mate make it off of P/MP EVALS, doesn't make them any less of a candidate for Chief. It has been written here many times, it is all in the write up. SUSTAINED SUPERIOR PERFORMANCE and THE BEST AND FULLY QUALIFIED are flag words for boards. If your EVAL is being written geared toward the 7 CPO tenants, geared toward the previous years precept (as applicable as possible) you are setting yourself up for success.

Don't get me wrong though, they do want to see leadership, even amongst your peer group, for some it comes in the form of a documented ranking (breakout amongst peers) and others, it can be artfully spelled out and articulated in the write up.

[Guest Dusten]

Also Senior I can only speculate this, however, being an active member in the FCPOA and First Class Mess has to play some part in it as well. They may want to see what you are doing for and within your mess as well. I don't know if there's any option to being apart of the CPO Mess, I'm leaning towards no, however if you aren't active as a First Class then how will you be active as a Chief?

What about commands that don't have an fcpoa?

[Guest]

We'll, you are hitting the proverbial nail on the head. Being not only a member but a leader in your FCPOA shows us (Chiefs) how you will integrate to the CHIEFS MESS. I always preach to my FCPOs, we can't all be elected to a position within the association however, that doesn't mean you can't lead within it. That goes for any evolution (365, command programs, ect.). The key there is capturing that leadership in what little and valuable space is on your EVAL. Some may think its hard as a FCPO sometimes but guess what, wait till you get up here and you have to lead a group of very senior CPO/SCPO AND MCPOs (who are set in their ways after 25 plus years and don't need to be led). Sorry for the wall of text, android is not my friend.

[Guest]

What about commands that don't have an fcpoa?

 

My buddy picked up last year without a single EP outside of transfer evals in his record, it was his first look and my fifth and we were selected together. I made PO1 in 4.5 years (meritorious advancement out of A school, picked up E5/E6 first time up) and made chief at a little under 12. I was not ready to be a Chief until the last three years, despite being a PO1 for almost 7. My evals reflected this, my attitude reflected this, so I got my act together and came back to sea and kicked into high gear. I landed a #2 EP spot my first evaluation on board (my first and only outside of transfers), which apparently was enough to get me selected when combined with select advanced quals.

I don't have a MOVSM, I missed a chance early in my career to get my AW pin, I've never been LPO at sea, nor have I had any FCPOA involvement. I made a lot of early career mistakes which took great while and effort to recover from. I am walking proof that time spent as a PO1 doesn't necessarily equal anchor ready.

However, I'm not in any way trying to put down those who are +15 PO1s. I personally know quite a few who are extremely deserving of anchors but they've either had mast, poor duty station decisions, or other factors which hamper their selectability.

 

As has been stated before, SSP and best and fully qualified are the most important but also most subjective criteria for being selected. Don't count yourself out because you don't have all the blocks checked. Write up, write up, write up.

[Guest Chief Guns]

I just joined this forum after lurking for many years, and I have one question for all of the seasoned First Classes, and any of the Chiefs that frequent this site. In my conversation with a Chief, he asked me what my last Eval was, I told him that my last Eval was a MP. He stated that in order to be selected for Chief, I would need an EP. Now, my question to all of you fine people is, how true is that? I didn't want to get into a debate because if I do/ do not get picked up, I will never truly know why anyway. I have heard that they make Chiefs who have Promotables and Must Promotables. Who is right?

I picked up GMC in 2013. I never got a EP on any periodic eval as a First Class. However i was always #1-2 MP or had good breakouts like 8 of 42, 4 of 18, 9 of 41 just to name a few of my breakouts. Its what your write up says that means the most. I might have been a MP, but always had EP write ups and good breakouts, and always above the CO's summary group average.    

[Guest itdominance]

Did I buy me a copy?

I don't know Tyler did you buy yourself a copy? Haven't heard from Nate in awhile. Good luck to you both. I know more ET's that are up for Chief than IT's now.

[Guest itdominance]

any word on the board wrapping up?

[Guest NavySquid79]

any word on the board wrapping up?

That's what I want to know! Has anyone seen their Master Chief return from the board yet? I don't know anyone on the board this year.

[Guest Chief Guns]

To all the FCPO's out there looking to make Chief, Take care of your Sailors!! Above all that's what's gonna get you to the next level. Cause you won't make Chief without your Sailors. Every Sailor that ever worked for me is the reason i am a Chief today. And i made sure to reach out to them and thank them when i was a SELECTEE. At least the ones i could find and track down. And don't take care of your Sailors cause you have to being in a LPO/WCS position, do it cause you WANT to. Your Sailors know the difference. My Anchors are my Sailors Anchors. Cause i wouldn't have them without the Sailors who accepted me and allowed me to Lead them as their LPO. Also try to get away from the "Check in the box" mentality. Drives me crazy to hear FCPO's say they have all the boxes checked. Chief is more than a rank. It's a way of life. Also be careful using the terms acting LCPO. I used to say that all the time when i was GM1 thinking it made me sound cool and super important. Until i made it and realized i had know idea what i was talking about or what being a LCPO is really all about lol. Good luck to each and every one of you!! I pray that all of you will have the honor of seeing your name on that exclusive list in a few short weeks. If you have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact me anytime. NAVY CHIEF NAVY PRIDE!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

I know how I was this time last year.  Good luck to everyone. I would say be patient, but again, I know how I was this time last year.

[Guest sk32004toLSC]

That's what I want to know! Has anyone seen their Master Chief return from the board yet? I don't know anyone on the board this year.

Board is still active.  My CMC is there.

[Guest itdominance]

Board is still active.  My CMC is there.

thanks for the update.

[Guest AWFChief]

They have shown up in past years or you had enclosures appear this season?

 

No the only things that have shown up over the years were NAMs and a COM that was in the process chain.  I sent them as enclosures to ensure the board would see them.  Sometimes they would show up during the board and sometimes after.  Is there a certain kind of enclosure you're asking about?

[Guest FC1(SW/MTS)]

I just joined this forum after lurking for many years, and I have one question for all of the seasoned First Classes, and any of the Chiefs that frequent this site. In my conversation with a Chief, he asked me what my last Eval was, I told him that my last Eval was a MP. He stated that in order to be selected for Chief, I would need an EP. Now, my question to all of you fine people is, how true is that? I didn't want to get into a debate because if I do/ do not get picked up, I will never truly know why anyway. I have heard that they make Chiefs who have Promotables and Must Promotables. Who is right?

 

My last 3 evals have been EP's, this is my 4th time up for board. Even having EP's does not mean that you will make chief. 

[Guest]

My last 3 evals have been EP's, this is my 4th time up for board. Even having EP's does not mean that you will make chief. 

 

OK the EP, MP, P matters to get on the SBE list that's about it.  Your ranking matters.  If you are #1 or 100 that's a big deal, and obviously you'd be an EP in that situation but so would 19 other guys.  If you are a 1 of 1 EP who cares?  It's better to be an EP than an MP or a P, but there are too many situations where something might override the eval score.  The board is going to understand that you got a P when you transferred to the command 4 months before.  At the same time you can get all the EPs you want if your write-ups suck you aren't going to get selected.

 

I would focus on my write-ups not what my ranking is.  You can control your write-up.  If you do a good job on the write-up the chances are it will make it through the chop by the CoC and get submitted that way.  The rankings are half political, and can be a mister popularity contest.  The other factor is that rankings tend to favor who is doing the best for the command.  The board should favor who is doing the most for the Navy and their Sailors.  They aren't the same thing.  Hope that makes sense.

[Guest itdominance]

You know what I meant, lol

you are making more $ than me. I am on shore duty so no sea pay or TDY for me anymore. Plus I gotta save for retirement and the University of Oklahoma is raising grad tuition rates. MUHAHAHA.

[Guest]

what about the promotion recommendation for the board?  I was told they play a factor into it as well.

 

The stronger the wording is recommending you shows your CoC's trust in you.  So yes it helps, but if your write-up itself is lacking it will look like fluff.

 

So yes the recommendation helps, and yes an EP helps, and yes soft and hard breakouts help and awards help, and volunteer work helps and the list goes on.  But all of that doesn't matter if you aren't showing leadership in Block 43 of your eval.

[Guest itdominance]

The stronger the wording is recommending you shows your CoC's trust in you.  So yes it helps, but if your write-up itself is lacking it will look like fluff.

 

So yes the recommendation helps, and yes an EP helps, and yes soft and hard breakouts help and awards help, and volunteer work helps and the list goes on.  But all of that doesn't matter if you aren't showing leadership in Block 43 of your eval.

exactly. you need to quantify what your leadership led to. I lead not only 6 sailors but 34 civilian network admins as well. I am fortunate as an e-6 to be in a divo leadership role. I know longer touch the network but supervise the metrics and trouble ticket percentages. It was hard to let go of the technician role but you have to in order to be a leader.

[Guest djim54]

Anyone know if the board wrapped up today?

[Guest CryptoSquid]

well havent been active on the board the last couple years, but good luck to everyone out there.

[Guest Hoffm1179]

Heard from one of our Chiefs today that our SEL, who is on the board, isn't expected to be back at the command until the 21st...

[Guest Blondie]

Heard from one of our Chiefs today that our SEL, who is on the board, isn't expected to be back at the command until the 21st...

Good info, thanks!

[Guest]

I can feel the excitement building!!