FY16 Chief Selection Board

[Guest]

Well, if you are telling me that you have been up seven times for Chief my first question would be, at what point in your career did you start "acting" like a Chief. By this I mean, when did you start to look at the Precepts to accomplish all that you possibly could and then ask your COC for more get to the next level? When did you start looking at Chief Evals and try to accomplish what are in their performance trait blocks (i.e. deckplate leadership, professionalism, loyalty)? Have you been donating your time since the beginning of your career to your community, seeking higher educations (personal/professional)? The greatest part about the Navy is that they tell us exactly what we need to do and how they will look at us for performance, they take out all the guess work. I totally understand if a rate is over manned and you must wait your turn for two quotas to open up every decade.  

 

I guess my lengthy rant is boiled down to this, making officer or chief is not something that you decide to start doing at 12 years in the Navy because at that point your behind the curve. The decision should be made before the end of your first enlistment, so you can utilize the possible last 16 years of your career focused on making this Navy better.  In my previous statement I talked about people who were at about their 19 year mark, which I still stand by is not the time to make someone a Chief, nor invest more money into. 16 years is not the end of the road, but if I had that many years in I would be ensuring I was thinking about what lied beyond the Navy. No matter when you make Chief this job is not forever. Just know that all the people coming in the Navy are better educated then when I even came in 8 years ago. So we shouldn't be surprised that now more than ever the Navy is looking within to make enlisted Sailors officers and Chiefs earlier. This is why they shortened the time for LDO candidates. They were tired of Chiefs taking it on at 16 years then riding it out for 10 and retiring as a LT. They want people to make it around 8-12 where they have the opportunity to make O-6 before their 60! 

 

Believe me that I do not believe that I am the best Sailor in the world, but I do know that my job is the greatest in the world because of the young Sailors I am around inspire me when I push them and their in turn push me to exceed my own imagination. God Bless this Navy!

 

This is hilarious! I was an 8 time test taker for E5 and 5 times for E6. I guess that means I should have moved on. I would also like to ad that the exam I picked up E5 on, I was #7 of 7 Navy wide with a 76 on my exam score. I guess that fact that I was JSOY back to back, capped to PO1, then was runner up for SSOY that year does not count................ You know, not everyone has their career figured out while they are at MEPS. You have to understand that not everyone is the foundation of excellence. I am not saying you are wrong in any way, shape, or form. I am simply stating that rates, quotas, etc play into people advancing. I know a 7 year Chief, but his quota was also 100%. I also know a 6 year PO1 who could not lead himself out of a wet paper bag. Timing is huge when it comes to advancement in my opinion. Again, this is merely my opinion, not an intention to piss you off, or question your thoughts.

 

Are you bitter towards a senior (time) individual, because you have a lot of energy invested into this?

[Guest itdominance]

That's a good come back, and I think that is something that the board should look favorably upon: Perseverance and overcoming that obstacle. I hope that you get it this time around, as well as everyone that is on this forum. As for the other post about my eyes getting poked, I was not offended in any way. I enjoy a good constructive conversation, I just try my best not to step on toes or put out the wrong message :)

I am in the same boat. This is my 10th time taking the test, got an adverse transfer eval in July 2010 (P 2.71 which we know isn't correct). Fought my mast and won my e-6 back but the CO got me on transfer. Appealed to  board and they let the eval stand. brought my PMA down so low couldn't make board in 2011, 2012, or 2013 even with a perfect score. Finally made board again last year and this year.  Since then: EP #1(SOY), MP #1, EP, MP, MP

Been an e6 now since December 2003. Ugg!

[Guest Dusten]

I am in the same boat. This is my 10th time taking the test, got an adverse transfer eval in July 2010 (P 2.71 which we know isn't correct). Fought my mast and won my e-6 back but the CO got me on transfer. Appealed to board and they let the eval stand. brought my PMA down so low couldn't make board in 2011, 2012, or 2013 even with a perfect score. Finally made board again last year and this year. Since then: EP #1(SOY), MP #1, EP, MP, MP

Been an e6 now since December 2003. Ugg!

Ouch.

My mast was dismissed. I received a 3.50 P with the word leader removed from my eval and replaced with manager. The final line of the eval simply said "on the right track"

Oh well. Like said earlier, I'm making my post navy plans. Khaki or not, 20 is the end of the line. I'm thinking stay at home dad sounds fun.

I was once told success in the navy takes luck, timing, and skill

[Guest]

Well, if you are telling me that you have been up seven times for Chief my first question would be, at what point in your career did you start "acting" like a Chief. By this I mean, when did you start to look at the Precepts to accomplish all that you possibly could and then ask your COC for more get to the next level? When did you start looking at Chief Evals and try to accomplish what are in their performance trait blocks (i.e. deckplate leadership, professionalism, loyalty)? Have you been donating your time since the beginning of your career to your community, seeking higher educations (personal/professional)? The greatest part about the Navy is that they tell us exactly what we need to do and how they will look at us for performance, they take out all the guess work. I totally understand if a rate is over manned and you must wait your turn for two quotas to open up every decade.  

 

I guess my lengthy rant is boiled down to this, making officer or chief is not something that you decide to start doing at 12 years in the Navy because at that point your behind the curve. The decision should be made before the end of your first enlistment, so you can utilize the possible last 16 years of your career focused on making this Navy better.  In my previous statement I talked about people who were at about their 19 year mark, which I still stand by is not the time to make someone a Chief, nor invest more money into. 16 years is not the end of the road, but if I had that many years in I would be ensuring I was thinking about what lied beyond the Navy. No matter when you make Chief this job is not forever. Just know that all the people coming in the Navy are better educated then when I even came in 8 years ago. So we shouldn't be surprised that now more than ever the Navy is looking within to make enlisted Sailors officers and Chiefs earlier. This is why they shortened the time for LDO candidates. They were tired of Chiefs taking it on at 16 years then riding it out for 10 and retiring as a LT. They want people to make it around 8-12 where they have the opportunity to make O-6 before their 60! 

 

Believe me that I do not believe that I am the best Sailor in the world, but I do know that my job is the greatest in the world because of the young Sailors I am around inspire me when I push them and their in turn push me to exceed my own imagination. God Bless this Navy!

 

They reduced the time for LDO to make an actual difference between LDO and CWO.  The retiring after 10 years as an Officer will make no difference because those selected will have their 20 years by the time they have qualified for officer retirement, or have 2 years to go at the most.  They would have to reduce the TIS requirement much lower if they wanted to make a noticable difference.

 

Anyway, not everyone knows they want to be a career Sailor by the end of their first enlistment.  My experience is that most make that decision at the end of their second.  Most Sailors are around 24 when they finish their first enlistment and aren't ready to plan the rest of their life.  In the real world a lot of people are just starting their first job after college at that age.  I think you are over simplifying things.  Yes it is great if someone has the drive early on, but most don't.  Higher Tenure exists to weed out the people who never get the message.  There is more than one path to success in the Navy and one isn't better than the others.  It's easy to rise to the top if you have a vision of what you want to accomplish and start early.  But I know guys that didn't do the career thing at first because they wanted to focus on their In-Rate proficiency.  Honestly I would rather serve with them then a bunch of people that are qual happy in search of the next chevron.  Because if and when we go to war at sea they are going to be the ones that fight the ship not the Sailor who ahs 35 collateral duties and a bunch of watch quals they never actually stood.

[Tony]

They reduced the time for LDO to make an actual difference between LDO and CWO.  The retiring after 10 years as an Officer will make no difference because those selected will have their 20 years by the time they have qualified for officer retirement, or have 2 years to go at the most.  They would have to reduce the TIS requirement much lower if they wanted to make a noticable difference.

 

Anyway, not everyone knows they want to be a career Sailor by the end of their first enlistment.  My experience is that most make that decision at the end of their second.  Most Sailors are around 24 when they finish their first enlistment and aren't ready to plan the rest of their life.  In the real world a lot of people are just starting their first job after college at that age.  I think you are over simplifying things.  Yes it is great if someone has the drive early on, but most don't.  Higher Tenure exists to weed out the people who never get the message.  There is more than one path to success in the Navy and one isn't better than the others.  It's easy to rise to the top if you have a vision of what you want to accomplish and start early.  But I know guys that didn't do the career thing at first because they wanted to focus on their In-Rate proficiency.  Honestly I would rather serve with them then a bunch of people that are qual happy in search of the next chevron.  Because if and when we go to war at sea they are going to be the ones that fight the ship not the Sailor who ahs 35 collateral duties and a bunch of watch quals they never actually stood.

 

Beautiful

[Guest hayes]

I am simply stating that rates, quotas, etc play into people advancing. I know a 7 year Chief, but his quota was also 100%. I also know a 6 year PO1 who could not lead himself out of a wet paper bag. Timing is huge when it comes to advancement in my opinion.

Truth. I think a lot of people tend to forget this. I especially like it when people complain about a broken exam system when FMS required is 999, not taking into consideration the fact that it's not the exam that's the problem, just that there's no opportunity to advance based on current manning.

[Guest itdominance]

Ouch.

My mast was dismissed. I received a 3.50 P with the word leader removed from my eval and replaced with manager. The final line of the eval simply said "on the right track"

Oh well. Like said earlier, I'm making my post navy plans. Khaki or not, 20 is the end of the line. I'm thinking stay at home dad sounds fun.

I was once told success in the navy takes luck, timing, and skill

Yup me too. I will have my masters next may, already have bunches of job offers. I have my Bachelor's, Microsoft Certs, Comptia Sec + (CE). I used to think not making Chief made me a failure until TGPS class a few weeks ago. I was the all star in that class with my resume and I was in Millington with a bunch of O's and E7/above admin types that were nervous about getting out.

[Guest Dusten]

Yup, success in the navy does not always correlate outside the navy.

[Guest FUTURE MAC ZACC]

So I heard yesterday Active duty results will drop NLT August 1st. Not sure if I believe it what say you all?

[Guest]

So I heard yesterday Active duty results will drop NLT August 1st. Not sure if I believe it what say you all?

 

It's usually a 6 week season and pinning is held on the second week of September.  Sounds reasonable.

[Guest AWFChief]

It's usually a 6 week season and pinning is held on the second week of September.  Sounds reasonable.

 

That's why I picked July 30

[Guest AEGFC87]

My best guess would be the 5th or 6th of August, right around when they came out last year. The 1st is a Saturday so if they are going to release them before then, it would probably be the 30th.

[Guest ShortStackJo]

I've still been following the forum this year as it's my husband's 4th time up... The quota is "high" for AWVs this year (especially compared to the 2 total last year), however his last eval shows at the very end "awarded NJP Oct 2014" (basically wrong place wrong time situation-- his Skipper told him he never wanted it to get as far as it did, but it did... and offered to give a letter to him explaining the situation and recommending him)... His Nov 2014 eval was a normal eval though but only a P since we just moved back here Dec 2013. Prior to that in 2013 he was EP#2 (as well as SOY... someone decided they wanted to spread the wealth and gave EP#1 to another Sailor who "lost" to my husband for SOY and SOY for NavAir and a million other collateral duties), EP #3 in 2012, EP something in 2011, and a MP in 2010 when transferring.. Associates degree, CFL, LPO, SIEMO, and I can' tell you how many other things he's done. It's been hard seeing him so down on himself because he kind of screwed this year away and there hasn't been an eval since  the NJP to show anything good he's done. Hoping for a miracle for him, but not counting on it! 

 

Prior to that NJP he'd never been in trouble or anything in his 15 years in!

[Guest djim54]

So is our board done with as of last week?

[Guest Ordy]

Well, if you are telling me that you have been up seven times for Chief my first question would be, at what point in your career did you start "acting" like a Chief. By this I mean, when did you start to look at the Precepts to accomplish all that you possibly could and then ask your COC for more get to the next level? When did you start looking at Chief Evals and try to accomplish what are in their performance trait blocks (i.e. deckplate leadership, professionalism, loyalty)? Have you been donating your time since the beginning of your career to your community, seeking higher educations (personal/professional)? The greatest part about the Navy is that they tell us exactly what we need to do and how they will look at us for performance, they take out all the guess work. I totally understand if a rate is over manned and you must wait your turn for two quotas to open up every decade.  

 

I guess my lengthy rant is boiled down to this, making officer or chief is not something that you decide to start doing at 12 years in the Navy because at that point your behind the curve. The decision should be made before the end of your first enlistment, so you can utilize the possible last 16 years of your career focused on making this Navy better.  In my previous statement I talked about people who were at about their 19 year mark, which I still stand by is not the time to make someone a Chief, nor invest more money into. 16 years is not the end of the road, but if I had that many years in I would be ensuring I was thinking about what lied beyond the Navy. No matter when you make Chief this job is not forever. Just know that all the people coming in the Navy are better educated then when I even came in 8 years ago. So we shouldn't be surprised that now more than ever the Navy is looking within to make enlisted Sailors officers and Chiefs earlier. This is why they shortened the time for LDO candidates. They were tired of Chiefs taking it on at 16 years then riding it out for 10 and retiring as a LT. They want people to make it around 8-12 where they have the opportunity to make O-6 before their 60! 

 

Believe me that I do not believe that I am the best Sailor in the world, but I do know that my job is the greatest in the world because of the young Sailors I am around inspire me when I push them and their in turn push me to exceed my own imagination. God Bless this Navy!

Arrogance will get you no where in here. There are ways to get your point across without insulting people around you. I am sure there are a lot of seasoned first classes in this forum gumming up your tracks, but a little gum never stopped a freight train. Myths about the board are consistently and deliberately scattered throughout the Navy to sow discontent. Here are some of my favorites... "It's a hat trick!" Or "if you are in a certain year group, your chances are lower!" Or "you can't make chief without your x qual/school." But, in reality, the people that are selected, get the s because of "Sustained Superior Performance." You could have every qual in the world, but without leadership, or documentation thereof, you will be passed by. The board looks at your Evals... What do your Evals say? Last year, I had every block checked... LPO at sea, Joint service, GSA Tour, Recruiter, etc and the list goes on... I could blame it on old salty lazy firsts gumming up the tracks... But that is just not true. The guys/gals that got the S last year got it because they deserved it more than me, they did more than me... And this year I have more to bring to the table, so I am praying that I loaded more leadership on my freight train than my competition and If not this year then next year and so on... But I decided last year, that I would never blame it on someone else again, because there is always a chance to be #1 and #1 is always a winner. Bitterness is dead to me...

[Guest itdominance]

Yup, success in the navy does not always correlate outside the navy.

exactly. And for those of us that aren't selected or never make Chief keep on keeping on. I may never make it but the people I have trained will carry on the knowledge that was passed down to me and they will do the same. Take care of each other and everything else works out in the end. I do hate it when someone says that person didn't deserve it. Who are you to criticize? We all look at ourselves differently than those around us see us. Let others look at your evals(outside your COC)so that you can get a truly objective opinion. I love this forum as I have gotten so much knowledge the last few years and help from you all via emails or pm's. I am truly grateful for my almost 19 years in. Where else do we get this much responsibility and 30 days paid vacation a year?

[Guest]

That's why I picked July 30

Six full weeks would put the results coming out on Wednesday Aug 5th.

Pinning is on Wednesday, Sept 16. (unless the local NOSC schedules the pinning on a drill weekend.)

Also, if the results come out the week of Aug 3, that gives the board 6 total weeks.

[Guest itdominance]

quick question. Was the FY 16 eligible list ever released?

[Guest AWFChief]

I think I have a fun question; Have any current Chiefs and or non selects from years past seen the attachments they submitted with their LTB show up in their OMPF, and if so, when did that happen? I know one of the generic formats for LTB conclude with a request for submission into OMPF.

 

None of my attachments from LTB have ever shown up in my OMPF. 

[Guest FCC_Thawk]

None of my attachments from LTB have ever shown up in my OMPF. 

The only things that will show up in your OMPF from your LTB are awards NAM and higher that are also shown in NDAWS. 

[Guest AEGFC87]

I just joined this forum after lurking for many years, and I have one question for all of the seasoned First Classes, and any of the Chiefs that frequent this site. In my conversation with a Chief, he asked me what my last Eval was, I told him that my last Eval was a MP. He stated that in order to be selected for Chief, I would need an EP. Now, my question to all of you fine people is, how true is that? I didn't want to get into a debate because if I do/ do not get picked up, I will never truly know why anyway. I have heard that they make Chiefs who have Promotables and Must Promotables. Who is right?

It depends on what that eval was. If it was a transfer eval or your it was lower than your last eval at the same duty station, then it will definitely make it more difficult for you to make it. However, if your last eval was a P or a lower MP at the same command, or if that was your first eval at that command, and your Performance Mark Average for that eval was higher than the Summary Group Average, then you should still be in decent shape, granted you are fully qualified and show "sustained superior performance".

[Guest itdominance]

for those of you who do not know please buy the following book:

 

The Ultimate Chief Petty Officer Guidebook by: James C. Glass

 

I got my copy new for $8.00 shipped from Amazon. A poster on here recommended it. Its an easy read that breaks down everything you should already know as a FCPO but may not. The evaluation section is very interesting. As is the whole book, it is a quick read and a handy reference for the rest of your career and to pass on!

[Guest osiris0107]

Arrogance will get you no where in here. There are ways to get your point across without insulting people around you. I am sure there are a lot of seasoned first classes in this forum gumming up your tracks, but a little gum never stopped a freight train. Myths about the board are consistently and deliberately scattered throughout the Navy to sow discontent. Here are some of my favorites... "It's a hat trick!" Or "if you are in a certain year group, your chances are lower!" Or "you can't make chief without your x qual/school." But, in reality, the people that are selected, get the s because of "Sustained Superior Performance." You could have every qual in the world, but without leadership, or documentation thereof, you will be passed by. The board looks at your Evals... What do your Evals say? Last year, I had every block checked... LPO at sea, Joint service, GSA Tour, Recruiter, etc and the list goes on... I could blame it on old salty lazy firsts gumming up the tracks... But that is just not true. The guys/gals that got the S last year got it because they deserved it more than me, they did more than me... And this year I have more to bring to the table, so I am praying that I loaded more leadership on my freight train than my competition and If not this year then next year and so on... But I decided last year, that I would never blame it on someone else again, because there is always a chance to be #1 and #1 is always a winner. Bitterness is dead to me...

I am not sure where my arrogance is identified or implied, but if it comes across like that, understood. If people are upset by my comments than this is what frustrates me the most. Individuals that can't listen to someone's point of view without getting upset by it, need not reply. Just remember this is a job like any other and soon you will have to punch out for good!

[Guest AWFChief]

The only things that will show up in your OMPF from your LTB are awards NAM and higher that are also shown in NDAWS. 

 

Correct, those are the only things that have shown up in my OMPF.  Thanks for the clarification to my answer

[Guest osiris0107]

This is hilarious! I was an 8 time test taker for E5 and 5 times for E6. I guess that means I should have moved on. I would also like to ad that the exam I picked up E5 on, I was #7 of 7 Navy wide with a 76 on my exam score. I guess that fact that I was JSOY back to back, capped to PO1, then was runner up for SSOY that year does not count................ You know, not everyone has their career figured out while they are at MEPS. You have to understand that not everyone is the foundation of excellence. I am not saying you are wrong in any way, shape, or form. I am simply stating that rates, quotas, etc play into people advancing. I know a 7 year Chief, but his quota was also 100%. I also know a 6 year PO1 who could not lead himself out of a wet paper bag. Timing is huge when it comes to advancement in my opinion. Again, this is merely my opinion, not an intention to piss you off, or question your thoughts.

 

Are you bitter towards a senior (time) individual, because you have a lot of energy invested into this?

 

Well..I am not saying you should have moved on, but now a days we tell our Sailors if takes too long to make rank, cross rate. We want them to stay in and with the best chances of advancing, not just staying in a job because they know it and it feels comfortable. I am not bitter, but have become enlightened with the "Senior" E-6's I work with. They will command respect of the Junior E-6's even though they have not earned it or it is not warranted. These guys sit around talking about "when I make chief", my honest opinion is that they will be the E-7's that I will have to carry because they are lazy and really don't know their rate. I have to come along side guys that are almost 10 years senior to me and show them how to use equipment, instructions, evals, awards. I just hate incompetence and people who are afraid to say "I don't know how to do this could you help" instead they say" I got it Chief!", but turn around and expect everyone that works for them to run with it because they have know idea what they are doing. They just do the Navy a favor and read something!