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18 minutes ago, Chief Guns said:

Correct. I was a FCPO for 7 years before i made Chief. I never had EP periodic eval. Two transfer EPs. All my periodic's was MP's including a welcome aboard MP. But all of them except for one had a breakout. But if you read my write ups especially the opening and closing statements, you would see why i was selected. And don't underestimate block 41. As a FCPO you want to see CPO and LCPO AT SEA in those blocks. That's huge. 

Chief,
Thanks for the info. Great point about Block 41. I will say that I've had CPO/LCPO as a recommendation for my last three evals so that does provide some piece of mind. I think our PO1 "progression" seems to be about the same. In my last 5 years, I have E5-MP, E6(Frocked)-MP, E6(Regular)-P, E6(Transfer)-EP, E6(Check-In)-P, E6(Regular)-MP. As you stated the write ups all speak along the lines of "pick me" but I think that because of competition/timing, I seemed to rank out right in the middle of the pack. I know the board has to go through 1000s of packages so it's probably unreasonable for them to go through every word with a fine-tooth comb. I can only hope that its not as black and white as "oops, a 3.71 against a 3.9 average -- not gonna cut it".

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53 minutes ago, Chief Guns said:

Correct. I was a FCPO for 7 years before i made Chief. I never had EP periodic eval. Two transfer EPs. All my periodic's was MP's including a welcome aboard MP. But all of them except for one had a breakout. But if you read my write ups especially the opening and closing statements, you would see why i was selected. And don't underestimate block 41. As a FCPO you want to see CPO and LCPO AT SEA in those blocks. That's huge. 

Absolutely, block 41 is just as important. Logically, the write up should match the averages. A CO could lose credibility if they give you a powerful write up but put you below his/her average. A reporting senior that doesn't manage the average well could destroy unintentionally the career of some members. Your average could be 4.29, but still lower than cumulative average, while someone with 3.86 is well above. This could be one of the reasons why a change in the evaluation method is being considered and I agree. 

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9 hours ago, OS1(SW/EXW) said:

After being up 4 times, I am not much of a fan either.

 

The area where the board falls short, I believe, is that you never know WHY you weren't selected. Was it a gap in your evals? Were you missing PPME, MTS, college, etc? The board changes what it focuses on each year or two it seems, and it's hard to check ALL the boxes for what they are looking for. 

 

I was told a gap in our evals gets your package tossed pretty much right out of the gate as well as poor Admin housekeeping.

 

It would be nice to know why one isn't picked up, so you can correct the error. If you have some admin error that you missed, as well as the 20 Khaki that look at your package, your error will be there year after year and you will sit right where you are.

While there is somewhat of a "formula" for advancement, we're not looking for the sailor who will 'check the boxes' to get there and drop their pack once promoted. That's the WHY. 

The board wants to see what you do, how well you do it and if you're taking care of the sailors you are charged with while doing it. All this because it is what you would be doing anyway, not because it is the key to a promotion. If everyone is told, "this year, volunteerism was the key," then the November eval cycle will be stacked with MOVSMs and any REAL distinguishing keys will be invalidated.

Nobody will care more about your career and career record than you. If you're unable to find an administrative error in your own record(especially if it goes unseen for several years), how can it be expected for you to find it in the next OS1/BM1/FC1's record who looks to you for mentorship?

Not a personal criticism, just a repeative concern that I wanted to address.

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As i read a lot of the comments, one thing that i keep seeing is the "check in the box". FCPO's focusing on SSP/PPME/JPME/USMAPS etc. Yes those things are important no doubt, but make no mistake about it, the most important factor to becoming a Chief is TAKING CARE OF YOUR SAILORS! You don't make Chief because of your accomplishments and qual's etc, you will become a Chief because of your Sailors accomplishments. Your Sailors will get you to Chief, not what you do. If leading, guiding, mentoring, and training your Sailors is not your number one priority, than you need to re-adjust quickly. Cause you won't become a Chief without them. When your Sailors succeed, you succeed as a LPO. When your Sailors fail, you fail. I am sure you all heard that a Chiefs anchors carry weight. It's because we carry the weight of every Sailor that ever worked for us, every Sailor that busted their ***** for us, every Sailor that went above and beyond for us. They are the reason we became Chiefs. My anchors belong to my Sailors just as much as they belong to me. So take a hard look at your eval's. If your eval's are talking about YOU, that's a good indication as to why you are still a FCPO. Your eval's should speak to everything your Sailors accomplished. Stop checking boxes and lead Sailors. Cause that's what Chiefs do. And don't just lead your division Sailors, you lead ALL Sailors. I tell people all the time i have two kids at home and 322,000 at work. Every Sailor is my Sailor! Good luck and i will keep all of you in my prayers. I hope you all receive that coveted "S" next month.

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On ‎7‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 9:09 PM, NavyChic said:

 

I agree, but my command wants  FCPO evals in three weeks.

PhD program, that's very impressive. Good luck to you, as I can imagine how strenuous the program could be.

I'm currently taking one class, towards my Masters Degree. I'm also planning to take one class next semester. Hopefully, if I do pick up I can balance going through season and school work. 

Sounds like we may be in the same command lol , I am working on mine too!

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14 hours ago, HawkISback said:

During an all hands call with VADM Burke he alluded to the fact about the major changes to the evaluations coming in the next year.  He also does not sound like a fan of the selection board process.  

How are they going to change the eval system? Also, what did he say he didn't like about the selection board process?

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23 minutes ago, osiris0107 said:

How are they going to change the eval system? Also, what did he say he didn't like about the selection board process?

Allegedly the biggest changes will be you will compete with people within your reporting period, and no written input. Also they are debating more than one time a year evaluation.  And yes he did not speak highly of the process, not sure if he didn't put faith in the senior enlisted or just the process itself. 

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On 7/1/2017 at 5:15 PM, NavyChic said:

When your on duty working on your eval because your command, likes for the FCPO to turn in evals four months early haha even non-board eligible.

For all board eligible, have you all started working on what will hopefully be a close out eval? 

I wanted to make sure that you know I wasn't saying that as a dig on you, personally : ) The command seems presumptuous and it's ridiculous to make everyone do it even though they aren't board eligible. 

Good luck on your masters! I only continued with PhD because I had money left on my Post 9/11-- would be stupid for it go to waste.

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I did everything I could to encrypt my LTB, but it would never send from my home computer. I sent it from UPS on the last day, and now I am wondering if they even saw it come in.

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5 minutes ago, sailormoon said:

I did everything I could to encrypt my LTB, but it would never send from my home computer. I sent it from UPS on the last day, and now I am wondering if they even saw it come in.

Did you download the DoD certificate to your computer, OWA would probably still work without it, but not to encrypt. I think as long as its postmarked by deadline but not sure.  

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On ‎7‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 5:09 PM, Dogg said:

Good luck to all awaiting results. It's been a while but I am back. Thanks Tony for keeping my account. Where are my FTS PSs?

FTS PS :-)

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5 minutes ago, HawkISback said:

Did you download the DoD certificate to your computer, OWA would probably still work without it, but not to encrypt. I think as long as its postmarked by deadline but not sure.  

I did. I did everything I could. OWA is garbage for my computer, and probably just garbage all around, but I was in no proximity to a NOSC to be able to run in and send it.

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Welp no notices or messages about release of FTS this week... sooo looks like CNO still has them... hahah.. maybe he is on leave :-) .. hope ya'll had a nice and relaxing 4th.. I know I did!

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Chief Guns, you couldn't have said it any better than what you did. You were absolutely right.people seem to focus on what they have done and don't focus on who helped them get there. Good luck to all and I hope with the quotas being as good as they are that we get to see a lot of people get the "S" this year. 

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I understand the genuine concern for your people, you have to take care of your Sailors.  However, I've found out that you can talk all day to them, however if they don't see you doing self improving items they could look at you being a hypocrite. Also doing all these things impowers me to talk to them from a position of knowledge.  

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Hope all had a good 4th.. we are all relaxed and rested and ready for those results!!! ;) ....

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3 hours ago, HawkISback said:

I understand the genuine concern for your people, you have to take care of your Sailors.  However, I've found out that you can talk all day to them, however if they don't see you doing self improving items they could look at you being a hypocrite. Also doing all these things impowers me to talk to them from a position of knowledge.  

Never said it was a bad thing to talk to them about it or show them what you are doing. Chief Guns was bringing up the point that all is seen on here is self accomplishments and not what people have done for their sailors to make them better or lead them down the right path.

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No worries on this end.  

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22 minutes ago, navyordie123 said:

Never said it was a bad thing to talk to them about it or show them what you are doing. Chief Guns was bringing up the point that all is seen on here is self accomplishments and not what people have done for their sailors to make them better or lead them down the right path.

I completely agree with Chief Guns as well as your point. IMO, I think alot of these "checkmark" quantifications is coming from what we, as PO1s read in the precepts/convening orders. It's also what is drilled into our heads many times when we have CDBs: "Did you get your USMAP done? What about taking some college? You need to knock out these PME courses". However, I do believe that the vast majority of the good FCPOs out there know that it's not about you as a performer any longer; it's about those you train and mentor to take over for you.

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9 minutes ago, METOC said:

I completely agree with Chief Guns as well as your point. IMO, I think alot of these "checkmark" quantifications is coming from what we, as PO1s read in the precepts/convening orders. It's also what is drilled into our heads many times when we have CDBs: "Did you get your USMAP done? What about taking some college? You need to knock out these PME courses". However, I do believe that the vast majority of the good FCPOs out there know that it's not about you as a performer any longer; it's about those you train and mentor to take over for you.

Yea when I have a record/eval review they don't highlight that I have a lot of cause and effect for my sailors I.e. RC-AC conversions, awards, and quals it's always you don't have your degree or movsm it's going to be tough. 

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1 hour ago, METOC said:

I completely agree with Chief Guns as well as your point. IMO, I think alot of these "checkmark" quantifications is coming from what we, as PO1s read in the precepts/convening orders. It's also what is drilled into our heads many times when we have CDBs: "Did you get your USMAP done? What about taking some college? You need to knock out these PME courses". However, I do believe that the vast majority of the good FCPOs out there know that it's not about you as a performer any longer; it's about those you train and mentor to take over for you.

I agree with you on what you said. It does get drilled into us with the precepts and CDBs and whatever else is thrown at us and I think that's why they took all that out of the precept. But there have also been Chiefs that have been selected and don't have a lot of the things that were in the precept or whatever else the board is looking for, like we say every year. SSP is what it's mostly all about. 

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I like this math :). Seriously, I've heard this too. You never know what your chances are compared to everyone else's record. Have faith in your accomplishments and keep studying until you get an S was sound advice.

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 So I heard a ugly rumor that the Reserve & FTS results maybe released at the same time as our Active Duty counterparts, has anyone heard this from their commands?

I am currently assigned to and active duty command so I am thinking that this is wrong information and am really hoping that the results come out next week because all my Chiefs keep asking if I have heard anything about my results. 

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Haven't heard anything from Chiefs or anyone else at my command. Just waiting patiently like all my FTS brothers and sisters. Just wished they would hurry up so I can plan the rest of my summer.. haha.. got places to go and people to see :D

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On 7/3/2017 at 8:39 PM, OS1(SW/EXW) said:

98 of us made board for OSC and they are picking 4...

 

Trying to stay optimistic, but....

98 made OSC, let's break that down further any recent mast cases, missing warfare pins such as ESWS, EAWS, EIWS, MTS for an instructor billet is a detractor. Failed PRTs, and jacked up records I.E. missing Eval gaps or poor write ups all play a factor. 

Are you taking challenging assignments or being a Sea duty dodger. With the exception of limdu, sea shore rotation should go according to plan. What did your people do? Is it documented? 

At the end of the day if you put your best foot forward, take care of your sailors, the rest will fall in place. 

I'm sure I am not the only one who has gone back in forth in my head, wondering what I could have submitted or changes with my package. 

Start looking ahead now and prep yourself for that upcoming Eval just in case you are a non select. The grind should never stop. Good luck to all my brothers and sisters.

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