FY16 Chief Selection Board

[Guest JQ30]

Stole the wordsw right out of my mouth. I have had 2 or 3 Master Chiefs (all prior board members) tell me to stop bringing my record to them and to go buy my anchors already. They said this facetiously of course, but still I would feel that at a CDB it would be like a kick to the helm if they were to tell me "oh you need to change xx or add/delete xx". I would be like "where was this advice when I came to you for the past year?" Haha, I will add, however, that if you are reading this and haven't asked every Chief you come across to look at your record, you are short changing yourself. Good luck to everybody next week!

I completely agree to this... but why does almost every CPO, SCPO, and MCPO (some who have been board members, recorders...etc) give me completely opposing opinions for my package!  I had three MCPO's review mine and I got three different critiques.  My record is squared away but when it came to what to include in my LTB for amplifying information, I received so many suggestions that I was just more confused and hoped I sent in what the board will want to see. 

 

And just like so many other eligibles on this forum, I get asked "why haven't you made it already?" or "don't worry, you got it this year".  Someone please explain this to me 

 

Good luck everyone on waiting until next week

[Tony]

Thanks for opening it up Tony. Been lurking for quite a while on the forum. Great info!

 

Hoping to be one of the 135 MACs!

 

You are most welcome. 

[Guest rosie1234]

Thanks for the invite!! im new to being a navy spouse but not new to being on the sidelines for the military. I have been "creeping" in here for a bit and i wanna just say a quick thank you for all the information!! i have learned a lot and still have lots more to learn. My wife is also waiting for her fate to be determined next week as well as being one of the women chosen for the sub detail so as you can see i have a lot of catching up to do. Thanks again!

[Guest NukeET1FCFL]

I agree soy=1 EP, but what if the soy is a brand new first class with 3 years left at the current command. How can you show progression? I think there are certain circumstances where it would benefit the soy to be ranked as 2,3,or 4 in order for the sailor to grow and progress. Thoughts?

 

I was speaking to my wife recently about "progression" Short story long, I have been a first class for over 13 years. Reported to my last sea tour (at my 17 year point last year) and was there for the whole cycle. Requalified everything that I needed to (EWS/EDPO) and was very active in the command. In an effort to help grow the sailors that were in my division I opted not to take over LPO when the current LPO was getting ready to turnover/report to his new command. This coupled with the fact that I was picking up CCC for that command I felt I was in a reasonable position to pick up an MP with good Reporting Senior average ratio. That wasn't the case, I was ranked as a P with no detractors at all in the write up, in reality as I wrote the write up and most of it stayed the same it very much identified sailorization and a very large amount of involvement in the command. I had at the time basically 2 years left in the Navy before my HYT.

 

Here's the question - With regards to progression, exactly how much would the P help me to show progression when the best amount of progression the board would see would be Year One (18 years in, 11 months onboard at Eval time) - P, and Year Two (19 years in, 2 years on board - MP or EP, before I retire to the Fleet Reserve?

 

Anyone's thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

[Tony]

Thanks for the invite!! im new to being a navy spouse but not new to being on the sidelines for the military. I have been "creeping" in here for a bit and i wanna just say a quick thank you for all the information!! i have learned a lot and still have lots more to learn. My wife is also waiting for her fate to be determined next week as well as being one of the women chosen for the sub detail so as you can see i have a lot of catching up to do. Thanks again!

 

You are most welcome! Thank you for joining. 

[Guest Dwain3980]

I completely agree to this... but why does almost every CPO, SCPO, and MCPO (some who have been board members, recorders...etc) give me completely opposing opinions for my package!  I had three MCPO's review mine and I got three different critiques.  My record is squared away but when it came to what to include in my LTB for amplifying information, I received so many suggestions that I was just more confused and hoped I sent in what the board will want to see. 

 

And just like so many other eligibles on this forum, I get asked "why haven't you made it already?" or "don't worry, you got it this year".  Someone please explain this to me 

 

Good luck everyone on waiting until next week

I have the same issues. Specifically when it comes to submitting a career sumary with the package.

 

Some say its a quck snapshot of your career and helps the board see everything without having to look for it; others say it just adds to what they have to read and may hurt you in the long run.

 

Long story short, I ended up submitting one with my package, and I really hope I don't end up regretting it :/

[Guest we do it with freqs]

 

<Steps up on his Soapbox>

 

I think debates really help the learning proccess and are more interesting than a powerpoint presentation. It may help debunk, validate or clarify those thoughts that are based on opinion; mainly because there may be someone out there who has the experience or may know more than you and I and can even quote the official source. What's important is we all learn.

 

<Steps off his Soapbox>

 

 

Well the biggest thing that struck me after a conversation with my ITCS was the saw tooth theory. He just checked in here and had reviewed the records of all the ITs currently onboard, spending a lot of time on the 3 SBE IT1s. He explained the saw tooth theory to me and stated that my record showed that and it's good. He mentioned (not by name of course) another IT1 did not have that. All of his evals were EPs. He said the problem with that is, the sailor can come across as a brown noser more concerned with his own eval than the development of his sailors. This is where the writeup comes into play. His was more "I did this, I accomplished that, me me me". Having nothing but EPs doesn't show he knows how to start at the bottom and rise up. He stated having all EPs can mislead the sailor into thinking this is SSP, but if he was never a bottom (or even middle sailor), he may not know how to handle adversity...how to rise up to a challenge. Especially since he's only been at joint commands, the EPs may be there because the navy foot print was so small. So, how well can he perform when in a large group...I.E. ship or navy command, isn't displayed.

 

I don't mean to come across as though I am cutting this sailor down. The ITCS was just trying to explain the misnomer of SSP.

[Guest passionateshorty123]

Under a week may we all see an "S"!

[Guest Francescaadams]

My husband got SOQ twice last year, did NOT get SOY but got the #1 EP

[Guest JQ30]

I have the same issues. Specifically when it comes to submitting a career sumary with the package.

 

Some say its a quck snapshot of your career and helps the board see everything without having to look for it; others say it just adds to what they have to read and may hurt you in the long run.

 

Long story short, I ended up submitting one with my package, and I really hope I don't end up regretting it :/

Same feedback with the Career Summary Letter... explicitly in the briefs from NPC and the guidelines, it says not to submit any repeating information.  I had a few chief's say to do one and then a few say not to do one.  So what "worked" for one chief did not work for another... again, just more confusion for the SBE's.

 

Also, anyone have feedback on submitting your last eval, even if it is on your OMPF?  Another area of contention I dealt with...told to submit it because it was my most recent #1 EP/SOY eval and on the other hand, told to just leave it in my OMPF for the board to sort through. 

 

Thoughts?

[Guest]

I have the same issues. Specifically when it comes to submitting a career sumary with the package.

 

Some say its a quck snapshot of your career and helps the board see everything without having to look for it; others say it just adds to what they have to read and may hurt you in the long run.

 

Long story short, I ended up submitting one with my package, and I really hope I don't end up regretting it :/

 

The board is a subjective process.  Some people send in quals and awards that are aleady captured in their record other people don't.  Some people think that sending in doubles makes sure it gets looked at.  The summary sheet you'll either hear that it's good or a waste of time. 

 

It really depends on the people sitting the board, which is why I think you get a different answer from everyone you talk to.  One guy may like the summary sheet another won't.  I don't think there is a right answer.  Do what you think gives you the best chance.

[Guest passionateshorty123]

Same feedback with the Career Summary Letter... explicitly in the briefs from NPC and the guidelines, it says not to submit any repeating information.

Also, anyone have feedback on submitting your last eval, even if it is on your OMPF? Another area of contention I dealt with...to submit it because it was my most recent #1 EP/SOY eval or just leave it in my OMPF for them to sort through.

Thoughts?

I was told if last eval is a break out eval then submit even if in ompf...was told less searching the board has to do:) makes sense to me.

[Guest JQ30]

The board is a subjective process.  Some people send in quals and awards that are aleady captured in their record other people don't.  Some people think that sending in doubles makes sure it gets looked at.  The summary sheet you'll either hear that it's good or a waste of time. 

 

It really depends on the people sitting the board, which is why I think you get a different answer from everyone you talk to.  One guy may like the summary sheet another won't.  I don't think there is a right answer.  Do what you think gives you the best chance.

Great feedback!  Thank you   At the end of the day, many of my mentors just told me to go with my instinct and submit my package using my best judgement.  I would be interested to find out how many selectees submitted one and how many did not though. 

[Guest NavySquid79]

I have the same issues. Specifically when it comes to submitting a career sumary with the package.

Some say its a quck snapshot of your career and helps the board see everything without having to look for it; others say it just adds to what they have to read and may hurt you in the long run.

Long story short, I ended up submitting one with my package, and I really hope I don't end up regretting it :/

I submitted a career smmary page with my ltb. I was on the fence about it until I talked to two Master Chief's, one being my CMC that just sat the E8 board, and they both told me they liked to see them. I also talked to a Chief that I know who was a recorder for last years MA board and asked him how the MACM's reacted to the summary page and he said that they seemed to like to see them. The one thing they were adamant about it all being verifiable. I was told a good career summary page makes the grading process easier, and once verified can be used as a good briefing templet. It does make sense to me, but who knows. My mentality this year was to include it and if the MC likes it great, and if the MC doesn't oh well he or she will just grade my record anyway. I don't see it as a detractor at all, especially with all the positive feedback I get about them. I know Chief's that have been selected that have included them, it obviously did not hurt them! IMHO I don't think it's gonna hurt you at all.

[Guest NYC Rigger]

The Navy SOY program looks at 5 years of evals, PRIMS data, awards and other stuff, kind of like the CPO board, but a little different. The yearly rankings looks at 12 months of that information. In my opinion it is not at all inconsistent for someone to be SOY, but not be ranked #1. Yes it sounds counter intuitive, but if someone went to mast or failed a PFA a couple of years ago you might rank them high, but you wouldn't necessarily give them SOY because they will get destroyed at the next level of SOY boards.

When they choose to use a process such as this I think they are looking at it the wrong way. The sailor should be looked at for there performance of that year not the last few. Its not called sailor of the last five years is it? You should be recognizing that Sailor for the performance during that year. There past is irrelevant. Just my viewpoint.

[Guest msteve0910]

I'd like to know where you are getting your info. I want to disagree with you, only because my district has a handful of qualified FCPO's that are DLCPO qualified, and a couple are sitting the seat (I am included in that couple). I'm not disagreeing, just wondering where I can see that same info. Interesting stuff. Good luck.

i got that from the Region CR who is about to be the next National CR a few months back.

[Guest itdominance]

why do you think he was not selected last year? Did he make board?

he wasn't eligible to take the test yet.

[Guest msteve0910]

I will tell you that IMO I like a career summary page in your package. I submitted one in my package the year I made it. I will give you the same advice that I give to all the Sailors that came and asked me about it. My advice is whatever you put in the career summary page better be somewhere in your record or if not you better provide a copy of it in your LTB.

I have never seen one anybody got a copy

[Guest CursedSwabbie]

a YN1 I work with submitted one I will see if I can get a copy

[Guest CursedSwabbie]

time for my Super Troopers moment "meow!" 100 posts

[Guest msteve0910]

a YN1 I work with submitted one I will see if I can get a copy

Thanks I am curious to see what one looks like, more tools for my toolbag

[Tony]

Career Summary Sheet
 Career-Summary-Sheet-2014.pdf
 
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Thank you BM1!

[Guest CursedSwabbie]

no worries...he is on leave at the moment but he should be back monday, but i will check the shardrive and see what i can find

[Guest CursedSwabbie]

Career Summary Sheet

 Career-Summary-Sheet-2014.pdf

 

Brought to you by a friend of the forum who only has time to catch up on the forum news while in the head, parked on the throne.

 

Thank you BM1!

BM with CICWO??? I am now impressed! 

 

EDIT: I do not mean that in a bad way. I personally have never seen it!

[Guest FC1(SW/MTS)]

My command decided that they wanted one person to make chief, and thought that the SOY already would. The command made that person the #1 Ep and the SOY #2.  Results #1 EP did not make it SOY did.