FY16 Chief Selection Board

[Guest AWS14%]

I do want to clarify something from my previous post, I would be remiss if I did not....

Chiefs know how to make Chiefs out of FCPO's, we know the key elements the board is looking for, I guess my ultimate point is don't settle for the staple answer. Challenge the statuesque, that's what Chiefs do, that's what Chiefs in training should be doing, we can all express our frustrations on the lack of feedback from the board process or we can take action but remember, there is a reason the Chiefs Mess is held at such a high esteem. We are the only service that goes through this riggerous process for selection, the only service who dedicates time IN ADDITION TO COMPLETING THE MISSION to train our replacement for 6 weeks.

For those of you who are selected, you should be overwhelmed with a sense of pride to know you were selected as the best and fully qualified, a sustained superior performer.

For those of you who were not as fortunate to be selected, the above statement should make you want to strive to he that FCPO who should be wearing khakis next year!

Great post!

[Guest passionateshorty123]

I have seen on more than one occasion where the SOY was not the #1 EP. This is very true, other factors come into play, how many of the #1-5 are still at a command for the next eval cycle, because if they have continued to preform then they should move higher example: if number #3 is still at your command from last eval cycle then #3 should now move to number #2 or #1 if slots are open, other factors such as how long SOY has been on board can have a impact as well...just food for thought:)

[Guest itdominance]

I have seen on more than one occasion where the SOY was not the #1 EP. This is very true, other factors come into play, how many of the #1-5 are still at a command for the next eval cycle, because if they have continued to preform then they should move higher example: if number #3 is still at your command from last eval cycle then #3 should now move to number #2 or #1 if slots are open, other factors such as how long SOY has been on board can have a impact as well...just food for thought:)

I won SOY last year and bumped the #1 EP FCPO from the previous year. He was not happy and held a grudge against me until his transfer in April. We all have to realize that we must continously grow and not expect to stay the same if we become stagnate.

[Guest]

I have seen on more than one occasion where the SOY was not the #1 EP. This is very true, other factors come into play, how many of the #1-5 are still at a command for the next eval cycle, because if they have continued to preform then they should move higher example: if number #3 is still at your command from last eval cycle then #3 should now move to number #2 or #1 if slots are open, other factors such as how long SOY has been on board can have a impact as well...just food for thought:)

 

Just food for thought..........as we all know the package content, the grading process for Quarter/Year programs........

 

The Sailor of the year (Although it does not perfectly align to the EVAL Cycle BUT pretty darn close) is the Best of the Best (Selected traditionally from one of four Quarter winners, I know not in all cases), doesnt it sound like a contradiction to the board if that SOY is not the #1 Sailor?  I know I am not the only one who thinks like this and how do you think the board see's this?

 

Some commands think they are helping people by doing this but in my humble opinion they are only hurting the SOY and helping another Sailor (which the board will never know buy looking at his eval, they will just see #1 EP).

 

** There is nothing wrong with a #2 and #3 ranking as an EP.

[Guest NavySquid79]

I won SOY last year and bumped the #1 EP FCPO from the previous year. He was not happy and held a grudge against me until his transfer in April. We all have to realize that we must continously grow and not expect to stay the same if we become stagnate.

why do you think he was not selected last year? Did he make board?

[Guest PO1 Mineman Type]

Looking at some of the Eval Comments this morning I though I should add my "2 Cents" with this being my first time up I had the opportunity to talk to a few of the Master Chiefs that sat this years board.  The common Denominator seems to be to write your Eval to make Senior Chief not to make Chief.  It was explained to me that if you are working on making Senior, then Chief will fall into place.

[Guest]

Looking at some of the Eval Comments this morning I though I should add my "2 Cents" with this being my first time up I had the opportunity to talk to a few of the Master Chiefs that sat this years board.  The common Denominator seems to be to write your Eval to make Senior Chief not to make Chief.  It was explained to me that if you are working on making Senior, then Chief will fall into place.

 

Kind of sounds like a Second Class Petty Officer working toward selection to Chief Petty Officer........Just sayin.........

[Guest PO1 Mineman Type]

Kind of sounds like a Second Class Petty Officer working toward selection to Chief Petty Officer........Just sayin.........

Most of the Evals that I have from the last five years are from being a Second Class, it gets looked at as well

[Guest]

Sounds like you are on track!

[Guest QM1"Wheelz"]

after reading some of these latest posts I now have questions on my ranking. I have been #3 two years in a row, #1 and #2 have not transferred and obviously didn't get selected last year. I hold critical collaterals and taken many college courses, my guys are advancing and standing out. By basically staying the same or "stagnate" look bad or will the board take other factors in consideration?

[Guest passionateshorty123]

Just food for thought..........as we all know the package content, the grading process for Quarter/Year programs........

The Sailor of the year (Although it does not perfectly align to the EVAL Cycle BUT pretty darn close) is the Best of the Best (Selected traditionally from one of four Quarter winners, I know not in all cases), doesnt it sound like a contradiction to the board if that SOY is not the #1 Sailor? I know I am not the only one who thinks like this and how do you think the board see's this?

Some commands think they are helping people by doing this but in my humble opinion they are only hurting the SOY and helping another Sailor (which the board will never know buy looking at his eval, they will just see #1 EP).

** There is nothing wrong with a #2 and #3 ranking as an EP.

RMCS, that is what I thought at first as well number 1 should go to soy and most think that then it was explained to me why did not get #1 ando factors such as only having been on board a year and half, others with high marks prior were transferring and deserved to transfer with the number 1 or number 2 because they were 2 and 3 and maintained, it still baffles me myself but unfortunately I just have to hope all my evals and the last one received speak for them self and that they indeed looked at my ranking and then look at ohhh dang well only been on board year and half... will find out next wk;)

[Guest msteve0910]

The CRF community is hard to figure out because a qualification (DLCPO) that used to lead to pretty much an automatic "S" is no longer a big deal because majority of the FCPO's have that qualification. In your rate I would think it would take being LPO of the year/region or DLCPO of the year/region to put you over the top. This is just my opinion from completing two successful recruiting tours.

actually there are not alot of FCPOs that have the qual now, in the nation based on the slate currently their are 17 FCPOs that have the qual of which 10 are FTS, it use to be easy to get it but nowadays with the community being top heavy unless you are going to sit in the seat it is almost impossible to qualify, you can get the pqs signed off but getting a region rep to come do a board is not happening, it use to be NCC were Zone Sups/DLCPOs now you have some working as RINC/ Station LCPOs or Officer Recruiters because we don't have billets to run zone/divisions

[Guest]

after reading some of these latest posts I now have questions on my ranking. I have been #3 two years in a row, #1 and #2 have not transferred and obviously didn't get selected last year. I hold critical collaterals and taken many college courses, my guys are advancing and standing out. By basically staying the same or "stagnate" look bad or will the board take other factors in consideration?

 

As long as your eval accurately reflects what you describe here and you are working more out of your comfort zone you should be fine.....The boards is looking for progression however, these MCPO's understand that sometimes when your at the top the #1's and 2's are often gridlocked and other can not fleet up.....

[Guest]

RMCS, that is what I thought at first as well number 1 should go to soy and most think that then it was explained to me why did not get #1 ando factors such as only having been on board a year and half, others with high marks prior were transferring and deserved to transfer with the number 1 or number 2 because they were 2 and 3 and maintained, it still baffles me myself but unfortunately I just have to hope all my evals and the last one received speak for them self and that they indeed looked at my ranking and then look at ohhh dang well only been on board year and half... will find out next wk;)

 

TBH, it relies solely on the CMC and his willingness to stick to the policies....we followed what you describe above in relation to rankings, then a new CMC and we followed the policy of "SOY=#1EP", I see what the new CMC was saying, we look like a bunch of gooneybirds if we are saying "This is our BEST FCPO" but he is not the #1 (EVAL wise).  If thats the case than whay was that #1 EP FCPO, who ever he was not the SOY?

 

I can neither confirm or deny (not because I know and wont say) that this would hurt anyone.....the MCPO's have the experience neccessary to widdle the candidacy down to exactly what the precepts state they are looking for; SSP and THBFQ......

[Guest AWS14%]

TBH, it relies solely on the CMC and his willingness to stick to the policies....we followed what you describe above in relation to rankings, then a new CMC and we followed the policy of "SOY=#1EP", I see what the new CMC was saying, we look like a bunch of gooneybirds if we are saying "This is our BEST FCPO" but he is not the #1 (EVAL wise). If thats the case than whay was that #1 EP FCPO, who ever he was not the SOY?

I can neither confirm or deny (not because I know and wont say) that this would hurt anyone.....the MCPO's have the experience neccessary to widdle the candidacy down to exactly what the precepts state they are looking for; SSP and THBFQ......

I agree soy=1 EP, but what if the soy is a brand new first class with 3 years left at the current command. How can you show progression? I think there are certain circumstances where it would benefit the soy to be ranked as 2,3,or 4 in order for the sailor to grow and progress. Thoughts?

[Guest]

...."This is our BEST FCPO" but he is not the #1 (EVAL wise)..... 

 

....the MCPO's have the experience neccessary to widdle the candidacy down to exactly what the precepts state they are looking for; SSP and THBFQ......

 

 

I agree soy=1 EP, but what if the soy is a brand new first class with 3 years left at the current command. How can you show progression? I think there are certain circumstances where it would benefit the soy to be ranked as 2,3,or 4 in order for the sailor to grow and progress. Thoughts?

 

Not to avoid your question but i widdled down my original statement to best sum my thoughts on this.

 

Progression is key, and you have identified a common logic that is often times a heated debate during a ranking board behind the closed door to the mess.

[Tony]

The beer (or milk & cookies) are on Blondie Friday night folks...

 

[Guest]

I agree soy=1 EP, but what if the soy is a brand new first class with 3 years left at the current command. How can you show progression? I think there are certain circumstances where it would benefit the soy to be ranked as 2,3,or 4 in order for the sailor to grow and progress. Thoughts?

 

The Navy SOY program looks at 5 years of evals, PRIMS data, awards and other stuff, kind of like the CPO board, but a little different.  The yearly rankings looks at 12 months of that information.  In my opinion it is not at all inconsistent for someone to be SOY, but not be ranked #1.  Yes it sounds counter intuitive, but if someone went to mast or failed a PFA a couple of years ago you might rank them high, but you wouldn't necessarily give them SOY because they will get destroyed at the next level of SOY boards. 

[Tony]

For those who don't know, there is a poll going on, it's up at the top. Pretty interesting so far...

[Guest NC1SW]

actually there are not alot of FCPOs that have the qual now, in the nation based on the slate currently their are 17 FCPOs that have the qual of which 10 are FTS, it use to be easy to get it but nowadays with the community being top heavy unless you are going to sit in the seat it is almost impossible to qualify, you can get the pqs signed off but getting a region rep to come do a board is not happening, it use to be NCC were Zone Sups/DLCPOs now you have some working as RINC/ Station LCPOs or Officer Recruiters because we don't have billets to run zone/divisions

[Guest NC1SW]

I'd like to know where you are getting your info. I want to disagree with you, only because my district has a handful of qualified FCPO's that are DLCPO qualified, and a couple are sitting the seat (I am included in that couple). I'm not disagreeing, just wondering where I can see that same info. Interesting stuff. Good luck.

[Tony]

Registration is open up just for a little while 

[Guest we do it with freqs]

Correct. Should look like a sawtooth, low medium high. Low at first with progression as each eval is slid across the table for your viewing pleasure! Any place that gives you high marks right off the bat is doing you a disservice. How can one improve so to speak. The marks say very little as long as they go up each time at a given place (don't stagnate). The writeup is where you can explain why! #1MP due to % restrictions or something similar.

 

It's good to see this posted on here. It's almost word for word what my ITCS said last week. It brought up some other points that I'm hesitant to mention on here as they could just be his opinion, but it could be taken the wrong way and out of context. I'd hate to start an online debate about evals or worry anyone based off of an opinion

[Guest Dwain3980]

Thanks for opening it up Tony. Been lurking for quite a while on the forum. Great info!

 

Hoping to be one of the 135 MACs!

[Tony]

It's good to see this posted on here. It's almost word for word what my ITCS said last week. It brought up some other points that I'm hesitant to mention on here as they could just be his opinion, but it could be taken the wrong way and out of context. I'd hate to start an online debate about evals or worry anyone based off of an opinion

 

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I think debates really help the learning proccess and are more interesting than a powerpoint presentation. It may help debunk, validate or clarify those thoughts that are based on opinion; mainly because there may be someone out there who has the experience or may know more than you and I and can even quote the official source. What's important is we all learn.

 

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