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On 11/5/2020 at 8:04 PM, Legalguy said:
So. All the board elegibles at my command had a meeting today. The CMC said that the final board has adjourned. We were given expectations for leave and COVID items for the upcoming season.
This is awesome!! Crickets from our CMC and SEL to the FCPOs. I wish they spoke to us more rather than waiting on the trickle that never flows. I get better info from social media. My mentor told me the CMC passed the same info the mess though irt board being adjourned. They also told me an expected day but not giving it too much weight
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On 11/3/2020 at 5:48 PM, DocEddy8404 said:
Every person that I’ve talked to who has sat the board said they will see everything. For example, I just transferred and so have a August transfer eval. I was told specifically that it will be viewed. It’s on my PSR as well.
Are these people that sat a board this year? Because the navadmin specifically states they only see up to the original convening date.
“Official Military Personnel Files for use during the boards are captured as of the original board convening date.”
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2 hours ago, MILSPOUSE01 said:
So the counselor said it is tricky. In so many words told him he doesn't have a straight answer. He stated that even though he submitted for retirement, the fact it (retirement) was not approved by the original deadline date in May for the board, he should still be up for the promotion. However, he also stated that with the Covid disruption he is unsure if that could have affected dates and information being updated properly. So it is just a wait and see.
I'm hopeful. 
“2. In line with reference (a), eligibility will be as of the original board convening date.”
hopefully this line From the NAVADMIN pertains to his situation. If he was eligible at ORIGINAL convene date (which sounds like he was) he will hopefully be good. Best of luck to him.
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21 hours ago, Jacobvan01 said:
Article says convenes I linked below
Yeah they messed that up cause they reference the navadmin. Either way just come out! Fingers crossed for as many of us in here as possible
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51 minutes ago, Jacobvan01 said:
There was a article that confirmed the date of the quotas that also mentioned results within 30 days of the board convening. Phase 3 convened October 24th which would put results just before Thanksgiving as the MCPON said they would try to do. This would give roughly 3 weeks of initiation prior to holiday leave and leave another 3 weeks after holiday leave for pinning end of January as stated. I feel it will be around Thanksgiving.
Are you sure the article didn’t say within 30 days of adjourning? Because that’s what the nav admin says “Enlisted advancement board results are expected to be approved and announced within 30 days after a board adjourns.”
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3 hours ago, mmn1ss said:
I'm game. Saying triad the 24th, NAVADMIN 25th. If I win I want my payout in the form of a S. Although the underlying question is were records scrubbed after each phase or all at once at the end. It would make sense for the entire thing to be a rolling selection and scrub style system......but like I said that makes sense.
After the great ordeal a few years ago when the E9 board had to be re-done due to compromise, i HIGHLY doubt its scrubbed after each panel, but will be done once the entire board adjourns. Limiting the possibility of compromise. IMO
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so gonna take a stab at results although many of you wont like it...
Triad Dec 3rd, NAVADMIN Dec 4th
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10 hours ago, NAVYGUY said:
They removed the collateral duties from the convening order, so I doubt it is important to have it this year.
No it isn’t gone but less highlighted. There is less detail in the convening order, leaving room for ratings to have a say of what they care about in the Enlisted career path for each rating. Mine specifically calls out command collateral with impact as well as mess involvement. But I have seen some rating ECPs that don’t mention either one of those things.
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21 minutes ago, kneppercr said:
How high above RSCA does the individual average need to be to stand out? What's competitive?
Take with a grain of salt, but what I have heard is:
anything above the RSCA is possibly I’ve because you are above the reporting seniors average.
but my question is when are reporting seniors RSCAs going to get under control control? Under the new guidance, in order to max out your pma+RSCA you have to be 1.25 above RSCA. So if a reporting senior’s RSCA is above 3.75, it is mathematically impossible to max out. And even then you’d have to 5.0 an eval which I don’t personally think is a legitimate rating of ANY Sailor in the Navy.
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Hey y’all so I’ve received some notes that are def good for all E6 and up to be aware of. Notes from a MCPO that sat the 8/9 board this year
Bottom line is that our boards are now very similar to statutory boards and the way that 95% of the Chiefs and below think happens at the boards are not accurate. Review the selection board brief from PERS-803 on NPC, it is gold.
1. Every single record will be briefed in the tank, all of them. We used to only brief the last select and first three non selects the tank. I cannot stress this enough; EVERY record will be briefed. So the old adage of “press 100 now” only applies to Officer FITREPs isn’t even close to true, we use it to brief and we will put it on the screen if we see it on an eval appropriately.
2. The Enlisted Career Path is the grading criteria we use exclusively. It’s all there for you to review. It used to be known as the LADR. CMCs and COs should ensure that the evals are written to support these ECPs. If you are missing anything required from the ECP you are not fully qualified. From there the more you have from the ECP is what makes you best qualified. This is why the precept and convening orders haven’t changed anymore, the map is the ECP.
3. The entire record is up for review, the 5 year myth is just that, a myth. The only actual 5 year requirement is for adverse matter and is supported via the precept.
4. Mandatory briefing items are the letter to the board and any field code 38 (adverse matter). The point is the power of the letter to the board, if there are unique circumstances, things that look off, or just information you feel is important than tell us in the LTB. The briefer must brief the contents as well as the President will read it. This rules out us having to read into anything, just give it to us. Back to back shore because of co-lo, HUMS that you are willing to talk about, declines in performance for personal reasons, etc. are all great to let us know what’s going on, it gives us “buy-in” to sell you.
5. For the enclosures of the LTB, if it’s a big ticket item that you want to ensure we do not have to dig out then sent it. Look at the PSR, if there is a degree listed don’t send it. If you have 8MTS don’t send the cert. If you have 8CFL don’t send the des, etc. MOVSMs don’t often make it to the OMPF or were received so far back we may not catch it, send it. J/PPME send the certs, it’s a pain to dig out via the 1070/881 and that’s assuming you have an up to date one. USMAPs, send them. Do not send random designation letters, the ECP is clear, collaterals with DOCUMENTED impact, a designation letter does not give me impact.
6. Evals are crucial. For an E-6 and above eval they should always have these three bullets; job, collateral with impact, mess involvement. If you do not have one of those then our ability to sell you as a 360 Sailor is lessened. Off duty education and volunteerism are good to have but only after you’ve hit the main 3 wickets. Additionally, you can prove those by sending in the transcript, degree, MOVSM, etc. so keep the text for what’s really important. Statements from the CMC and MMCPO did carry weight so consider those in there as well. Also look at making original openers and closers, we brief those often and really strong good ones are an easy brief compared to canned versions used year after year.
7. If you do not have collateral impact and mess involvement it won’t go well, I’m stressing that twice. The only way around that is someone who has had a career of EPs and even then could be hit or miss. If you’re in a position where those are impossible than it needs to be explained, i.e. BUPERS SDC dets, FMS, GPP, etc.
8. Air gaps are killing people. An air gap is when a reporting senior had the opportunity to give a higher promotion recommendation and didn’t. For Chief Select close out this killed some. Do not negate the prior 10 months of their performance thinking you are giving them room to move up or a fair shake when you rank them all as Ps. This crushes them, if they were the best First Class up to when the results came out why not say that? If you transfer a Sailor with an air gap you are telling the board something, use that only when it’s warranted.
9. Aviation RSCA is getting out of control, some COs have over a 4.4 RSCA for E-7 and above, what does that say about a 4.7 compared to a RSCA of 3.7 and the same individual trait average? SPECOPS and Surface do much better job of this. CMCs and COs should be working together to manage RSCA and not set Sailors up for failure. RSCA is a highly briefed item and what we use to distinguish Sailors from each other, we owe it to our Sailors to manage this better.
10. Look for missing evals on your ESR, if there are missing evals send them in. We had Sailors that had phenomenal records but were missing their most recent evals, we had no choice but to knock that record down due to not being able to score the record.
11. Adverse matter will only be information that affects pay. Don’t assume because you knew a Sailor went to mast that the board knows it. If it’s not on the eval or a PG-13 we don’t know it happened. COs need to ensure they are following the mandatory reporting requirements for E-6 and above to ensure that doesn’t happen IAW MILPERMAN 1616-040.
12. Career Summaries are not a bad thing, just don’t send 4 pages. In the last 3 boards I’ve sat I’ve yet to have a grader complain about a summary, in fact most of like them for QA’ing ourselves and a quick checklist of important things for us to go verify. Personally I like them. I know the old thought was don’t send it. Same concept for the LTB. If it’s big send it, you’d rather know you did than trust we didn’t miss it, use caution here and don’t send us 42 items, I assure you that we will discuss that as well and it doesn’t look good, think big ticket ECP items.
13. For COs, if a Sailor is jumped on the rankings something needs to be said about it, do not leave it up to us to try and figure out especially if they are performing well and just got outperformed. If they are not performing well then hold them accountable, or just don’t say why they got jumped and we will most likely assume the worst but that shouldn’t be our job to do.-
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21 hours ago, León said:
So, now that FTS/SELRES results are over with is the 27 still a firm date for the active duty quotas?
Haven’t seen anything official. This is my guess since E8/9 quotas came out 3 days after panel 3 convened
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13 hours ago, AO_Beast said:
I just hope we don't have to wait longer than the week of Thanksgiving. One would think they would push the results out ASAP once done with boards.
Disclaimer: legit question. Not trying to be Sarcastic
So, assuming the board finishes as scheduled, do you think two weeks is enough time for a legal review for all the potentially selected E7 candidates?
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6 minutes ago, BOATSNUGGYD said:
What's the fts/selres results date looking like?
Last someone shared was anticipated date of 23 oct to start initiation one page back
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3 hours ago, DocEddy8404 said:
Look at the last few sentences of scope and impact of leadership on the convening order.
Yes I saw it. But it’s not the big standout paragraph it used to be was my point.
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So finally read the convening order. Noticed that the collaterals paragraph is no longer there (first convening order without it on the NPC page). But like with some other things that have been pulled off the convening order lately I think this is left up to the rating and some specifics they are looking for. It’s been explained to me that the two big things at a selection board are the convening order and rating LADR where is has the considerations for advancement.
My LADR still mentions “should have command or assistant command collaterals with successful impact to the command”
what do y’all think about the change?
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So a mentor mine sent me this and recommend I become familiar with it. So figured I would share it here.
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5 hours ago, BOXKICKERUNO said:
Word on the street! It’s about to get reall fellas.
So this is first someone who heard at chow from someone that walked passed the CMCs office rumor right?
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10 hours ago, Helo_AO said:
Pretty interesting huh?
You could say that
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1 hour ago, Helo_AO said:
Has everyone’s command already had them sit through the CPOSLC? We just finished yesterday with our sister command.
Yes, did mine last week.
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7 hours ago, BOATSNUGGYD said:
There was only 1 panel for fts/selres.
Yes, should have been more clear, was responding to the comment I quoted about active.
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15 hours ago, Irenelr said:
Any ideas when the quotas are coming out?
Which ones, Reserve or active?
I’m urprised we haven’t seen the reserve quotas yet but the convening order is posted.
My guess for active quotas is Oct 27. The MCPO and SCPO quotas came out 3 days after the 3rd panel began so that’s my reasoning for the CPO quotas date.
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2 hours ago, subguy10524 said:
While I would love for it to be that early, haven’t we heard of Early December dates as the schedule?
My guess would be Dec 8 and 9 for triad and public respectively.
Well following the NAVADMIN, the LATEST the results should be out is Dec 7th, as that is 30 days after the scheduled adjourning date of the active E7 board.
the MCPON did a web interview several months ago and had stated that the goal was release by thanksgiving.
my guess is triad dec 1 and public dec 2
FY21 Chief Selection Board
in Chief Selection Board Forum | Results, Preparation, Records
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My bad. 25nov