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On 12/7/2018 at 10:00 AM, mslteck99 said:
I did! The CAPT said the board isn’t worried about how many tickets you sold, how much you raised, or how many organizations participated in a parade. He separated all the personnel numbers to prevent confusion, “you led all the ALL of the E6 and below here, but you also trained all the Navy personnel. It’s confusing to say you led mentored trained 91 Sailors, then advocated for the command’s 130+ E6 and below. The board doesn’t like confusing.”
“It’s all in the actions you did and capturing the leadership behind it, that’s what I focused on, your leadership in EVERYTHING you did!”
Senior discussed it with me when the CAPT stepped out to talk to the one star, “this is his view point, but it’s a GREAT view point” he was more than satisfied with it, and that is saying something after the MCs that reviewed my record loved the last eval Senior played a huge part of.
@mslteck99 , Great job on getting the number one EP in your rankings! Alot of great awards, volunteering and community involvement. The only key thing I believe you are missing is documentation on your Job. I would suggest taking a look at the last CNO and MCPON PODcast in regards to what boards are looking for in order to promote better leaders in the warfighting effort. The number one thing is Job performance and how well you did in your rating. This aspect is identified to the board by the documented performance on your EVAL. The Navy is getting away from what it has been doing for the past decade and are searching for rating experts again. I wish this information was documented on your most recent EVAL. Hopefully your previous evaluations provide a more prominent outlook in regards to your rating. Good Luck!
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I'm in Japan now. My captain just called me in the middle of the night and said there is no reason to call you unless you made chief. I got the S.
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10 minutes ago, Cryptic said:
We are talking about a lot of different things here.
1. Now we are talking about Sailors getting ITAs that do not necessarily reflect their true performance, because the CO wants to keep a certain RSCA.
2. RSCA is not the same as the summary average. RSCA is the average of every Sailor a reporting senior has ever rated at that paygrade, while the summary average is the average of this particular group of Sailors. I believe you are referring to summary average.
3. You can have a low summary average in this scenario, if you have one stellar Sailor and two "P" Sailors. (a 4.71 and two 3.0s would come out to a 3.57 summary average.) Either way, many other factors play into this. Prior eval ITAs, etc.
I think we're on the same page here. I was referring to the RSCA and not the summary group. But a higher summary group would affect the COs overall RSCA. I only gave that example to justify my scenario of 4.29 but not to say it is right. I've never been graded at a small command so I can't say what does the CO actually does. But your scenario also plays out just as well to justify a 4.71.
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11 minutes ago, Cryptic said:
I agree that ITA compared to RSCA is absolutely important. In your example though, a 4.29 ITA over a 3.80 RSCA does not mean that Sailor is the best that CO has ever had. Maybe not even close. It just means that Sailor had an above average year. We don't know what ITA the best Sailor he's ever had was, but it's usually 4.71 or higher.
I used that example because most COs try to maintain their RSCA in the middle. If the summary group average was 4.0 then it would increase his RSCA. So if the CO wanted to maintain his average and not really hurt another FCPO at the back end, the highest he graded the #1 was 4.29 based off my example. If he graded the sailor 5.0 out of three, to maintain his RSCA the lowest sailor would get an individual trait lower than a 3.0. I hope that clears up why I used the example of 4.29.
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1 hour ago, ET1EXWIWSW said:
What sounds better?
#1 of 300 PO1s. RSCA: 3.40, ITA: 4.0
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#1 of 5 PO1s. RSCA: 3.40, ITA: 4.30?I agree. In my humble opinion, have you ever stopped and wondered why the RSCA is so important on selection boards? The way I see it is that your eval grades you against your peers for that one year; however, when the board grades your eval, it's based on your COs recommendation and where you fall on his average RSCA backed up by your documented efforts. COs have evaluated hundreds, even thousands of Sailors. And what they say matter. If a Sailor is #1 of 3 EP and the CO evaluates him with a 4.29 trait average and his RSCA is 3.80 then states he is the best first class he ever had, that tells the board not just about the 5 FCPO in that eval, but the thousands he graded over the years. It's all about the evals and not the number of people your up against. Just as long as your at or above the RSCA or shown progression that made you eventually pass it then your in the crunch zone. To me, it's way more then just the number of people your up against. Just my opinion tho.
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What if (theoretically) various command's Chief's mess and CMCs are getting their rumors on either this week or next week results from here. That is probably why each command varies and no solid answer is coming out. And now that it is membership only, they are just as lost as we are.
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20 hours ago, PO1(IW/FMF) said:
From my understanding there is no more “grading”. That’s what used to get you to he tank. Now every record goes
After reading last year's selection board process ppt and this year's ppt, I came to an understanding that the only thing that changed during the individual record review process is the actual grade of the package given by the record reviewer. The reviewer (usually two) used to be able to establish a baseline score for the candidate's package which was inputted into the over all scattergram for the panel to review. Instead of having a grade that automatically puts someone at the top and others beneath, the record reviewer only reviews the record, input markings / highlights of the record, and moves on to the next record. No actual scoring from the record reviewer. Once completed, all records are submitted to the tank where the board will grade each package to establish the slate in the scattergram. Once a solid slate is approved by the board, it is given to the president for final approval.
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2 minutes ago, PO1(IW/FMF) said:
From my understanding there is no more “grading”. That’s what used to get you to he tank. Now every record goes
Oh I see. That's interesting
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51 minutes ago, SH1(SW/AW/IW) said:
LS1,
you maybe the chosen one.
reason I may not get selected.
-I have 2 P’s in a row
-First time up
-I May have had a altercation with the MC that sat the board but not sure lol
Reasons they would select me
-After 2 p’s jumped to a rank 13 of 134 EP
-Command SOQ, LPO at sea 3 years, associates degree, Bpme,Jpme, IA tour, USMAPs complete, army com, MOVSM, CPo involved, first class treasurer
- My sailors have been advancing in a tough SH rate, when averaged last 5 evals above RCA, I precomed a ship. Oh and I am awesome lol
Bro, thanks for the kind words, but this is also my first time up. Still not sure if they will select me or not.
You had altercations with an MC on the board? Sheesh, I hope that doesn't affect your chances
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LS1 here. Reasons I would get selected.
1. Out of rate qualifications to include ATTWO, Chief of the Guard, GLO, SW/AW/IW and fully qualified in rate. MOVSM, All PPMEs, 2 SOQs and various check in the box from LADr. Received a spot and transfer NAM everytime from last three commands.
2. FCPOA Prez at previous sea command and current shore command, Diveristy Committee Prez, Command collaterals to include CFL, CCC, SAPR, VITA, PO indoc coord, and command indoc coord (all documented in block 41)
3. Stellar evals above COs RSCA. Supply Dept Lpo at sea with write up in block 41) stating filling in as acting chief due to gapped billet on two evals. And last eval at shore command has MATL LCPO documented as my primary job in block 29 with stellar results in block 41.
Reasons not to get selected.
1. Haven't finished up associates degree
2. No USMaps
3. Wrong detachment date documented in career duty history (but no eval gaps)
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14 minutes ago, STS1(SS)752754 said:
I know that board process has changed a little this year too as only one person votes on a package. If there is any questions or uncertainty then it gets reviewed again by another person. Certain person told me after he sat one the reserves board this year. I'm sure better information will be out about how the boards are done after the results are released this year.
Why would the board change from a two man grading system to just one man grading and briefing a package? I thought that was a great system to ensure that the packages are graded fairly so if one grade differs from another grade drastically, they would reset and grade again to ensure accurate grading across the board. The only changes I heard of was that your entire career performance is reviewed and all packages (not just crunch zone) are briefed to the board and voted on.
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Long time lurker here. I just got off leave and started to catch up on what everyone has been posting. These two weeks are gonna crawl by. But It'll pass. Putting my money on the idea of a fully planned out 6 week phase 2 schedule. So I'll be going with 3 Aug traid notification.
Additionally any thoughts to why they changed from looking at past 5 years to your entire career? Wonder what prompted that change
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Thanks for the info guys! I'm pretty junior to this. But I have been reading up on this forum and learning a lot from others. It's complicating yet rewarding when trying to figure out my package. Good luck to all! 1st time up here.
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I was talking to a master chief who went to the board, and he was telling me how the board process can be very routine. Looking though each package 1 by 1 and finding many similarities in every other sailors package. There is alot of packages with documented SSP then most can assume. And then all of the sudden out of no where you hear, "hey I got one"!. Does anyone here know what they look for to be that, "I got one" candidate? From what is posted on here seems like most FCPOs got the major checks in the block from PPME to major command collaterals and all in between. What makes it stand out?
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It was a good exam. Easier then I expected. Hope everyone else did well!
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FY20 Chief Selection Board
in Chief Selection Board Forum | Results, Preparation, Records
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For those who haven't seen this video, below I have attached a link that will provide some information in regards to the board process directly from PERS-8. The recording was dated a month before FY19 E7 selection board process but has relevant information. The video outlines what the board looks for, how adverse information may dictate the selection process, LTBs, and additional information in regards to the selection process. Good luck to all of you!
https://youtu.be/34F2kehRAyA