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On 8/27/2016 at 10:19 PM, DirtSailorMA1 said:

Going into the FY18 Board with a Welcome Aboard "P" (5 months). How does the Board view that? Previous 5 years a variation of MP/EP and LPO on all, from shift to Dept. any insight will be great. Trying to make the "3rd times a charm." 

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I had a welcome aboard P with 110 days on-board and was selected this year. As others have stated what was written in your previous evals along with your most recent. You're leadership resulted in x contributing to x for the command. Everything we do needs to have a cause and effect otherwise it means nothing but words on a piece of paper. Get out and get command collateral's or assistant to them if your command requires you to be a Chief to hold those positions. Also I've read in other posts and was discussed in training's I've had. If you didn't get a qual or certifications when you had the opportunity explain that in your LTB. It's your method to communicate to the board, express the reasons or circumstances as to why you were unable to achieve those milestones. And last keep your heads up if you don't get selected. Keep pushing to better your sailors, as their success will make writing your eval with more MEAT vice FLUFF that board members see right through easier.  

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On September 1, 2016 at 9:50 PM, Admin_warrior said:

I recently checked into my command and i got debriefed by the CO who sat on my board. He told me i had everything I needed, MOVSM, degree, good evals, just a good record. He said what hurt me was my conversion from OS to PS. He said the board felt like i needed to be a PS1 longer cuz i only been one for 4 years (3 PS evals) but if i was a YN i would have made it. He said just sustain (sustained superior performance) and mentioned that quotas were low and it was hard to take records out and he remembered mine because i was a PG.  He told me tko eep it up, go for UPC and other collaterals and be active in CPO 365 and document involvement on the eval. I put in a request chit already for UPC, got that info from this forum, thanks everyone. Keep charging and making sailors and yourself better!

That's hard to take if I were you 4 years in your rate is not enough to get promoted. They promote fully and best qualified so being in a rate over a period of time is factored in. Did you ask your CO the required time in rate you needed to be selected.

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10 minutes ago, Iam32 said:

That's hard to take if I were you 4 years in your rate is not enough to get promoted. They promote fully and best qualified so being in a rate over a period of time is factored in. Did you ask your CO the required time in rate you needed to be selected.

He told me to keep doing what I am doing as a PS and factor Sustained Superior Performance. It definitely is hard to take but he said PS's that have been a PS 12 years and performed hurt me because I had so little time in rate. So doing the job longer and having so little quotas pushed me to the non-select pile.

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2 hours ago, NavyChic said:

 

Could you repost this in the CPO365 thread? There may be benefits in getting an active CPO365 thread going permanently and this post fits it perfectly. 

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3 minutes ago, Tony said:

Could you repost this in the CPO365 thread? There may be benefits in getting an active CPO365 thread going permanently and this post fits it perfectly. 

Will do, 

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First time user, long time follower.

                                                     I have a good one for the panel and welcome all replies. I recently found out that I didn't have any selection board information (no N,S,or H). I am a reservist so really it didn't peak my interest until later in my drill i brought it to my skippers attention. long story short i was the only reservist 1st Class in the entire reserve Navy who didn't get a look from the board. Couple emails to PERS and it was confirmed. I had nothing to send the board because my record was clean, and NEAS didn't send the board my results until 20Jun16, after the board had concluded. So i put in a Special Board request, which is currently at the CMDCM PERS-802 desk awaiting approval.  My concern at this point is not getting the board but really what is the push to select someone and create a billet after selection. Worse than that from what i can see in the precepts and info about how selections were made, i fit the criteria. MS, sustained superior performance, collateral duties, officer in my mess.  sorry for the rant but any advice is appreciated.

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I know I brought up CDBs a couple of weeks ago and now I am looking for clarification on the CDB and I will also look it up or ask my CCC but I had a discussion with a fellow first class and she stated that the command where I'm at only hold CDB's if you don't make board, not when you don't get selected. I've only been on onboard 6 months and I just found that to be poor leadership. I feel like having a CDB after not getting selected to review your record or go over things you can do or things you can get that you don't have and ways to lead for Sailorization is effective versus a CDB to point out you need to take the time to study to make board. Doesn't make sense to me:mellow:

 

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On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 5:36 PM, NavyChic said:

I know I brought up CDBs a couple of weeks ago and now I am looking for clarification on the CDB and I will also look it up or ask my CCC but I had a discussion with a fellow first class and she stated that the command where I'm at only hold CDB's if you don't make board, not when you don't get selected. I've only been on onboard 6 months and I just found that to be poor leadership. I feel like having a CDB after not getting selected to review your record or go over things you can do or things you can get that you don't have and ways to lead for Sailorization is effective versus a CDB to point out you need to take the time to study to make board. Doesn't make sense to me:mellow:

 

CDB's can be given for any number of occasions. I agree with you that there does need to be a Non Select CDB everytime to determine where or why you are falling short and what can be improved upon. However, we don't want to leave any Sailor behind so a CDB should be held for any advancement cycle whether it is E-4 or E-8. In my experience most Sailors are unaware of how to read their Profile sheet and this is a great tool to see what is needed for the next exam. 

A CDB for the Non Selects can be difficult if you don't know where you ranked in the shuffle. The responsibility is on the member to reach out to Board members to find that answer. I have always been a proponent of feedback from the Board. I think there should be some sort of profile sheet that comes back with simple information to the member which states the part of the process where they were dropped.

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well heres an update. PERS-803 accepted my board request and has given me a 30-45 day window for results. sooooo heres hoping. Not really feeling the love from the command or CPO's at the moment especially those who just finished transition. I get that i wasn't apart of what they did but through no fault of my own. Not the greatest welcoming to the news but we will see how it all shakes out.

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I did indeed look at my profile sheet and was selection board eligible. The push back from NEAOS was that somehow my test results were never sent to the board making my results known until after the board concluded it was the only reason I was allowed the special board. Again it's a shot but only that as I have 18 years in and know there is no real push to create another CPO bullet when they could deny easily. Didn't get the warmest feeling from the command on doing this special board to begin with and now comments float about. Again that's neither here nor there but first time in my career where doing the right thing for a sailor feels like career suicide. 

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Hey everyone just found the site. I have a question about what would be my best course of action.  This is my first time up, and while I feel pretty strong going in because I've knocked out a bit over my last few years (MOVSM, PPME, SEJPME, EIDWS, 4 USMAPS, CPO 365 leader, Associates, EP's and SOQ/SOY going all the way back to LS3) and I am still worried about my eval situation.  My last two evals are transfer evals (#1 EP soft breakouts) because I was on HUMS from Oct15 to Oct16.  Now I am back at sea, and I know LPO at Sea is vital, but I won't have an eval to show that.  Is there anything I should write to the board if I make it regarding both my current and previous HUMS situation.  Even though I was on HUMS a year, I still worked my way up to #1 EP upon leaving and got a spot NAM there.  I just want to make sure I answer any questions they may have. Any advice is appreciated.

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Thank you I will likely take you up on your offer.  I feel I did a great job while I was there of putting my sailors first.  I helped an E-3 and E-5 get their MOVSM and that shows on my eval, and many other accomplishments they achieved like USMAP, college, SOQ, etc.  My last transfer eval I was one of one but the write up clearly states "if ranked he would be my #1 of 42 highly competitive first classes" and many other good things that show I didn't just waste my time for a year.  I just wanted to know if things like that on the cover letter would come off as me trying to win sympathy or something, and if it was better to just let it go unsaid.

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At my command we signed our evals early because our CO is leaving. I'm not worried about my average it was over the SGA, my individual trait average went down, but I understand because this is my first eval at a new command. I'm concerned that the recommendation in block 41 states "LPO AT SEA", but in my write up it states "A must select for Chief" and "Promote Now". 

My Chief noticed that what he put in block 41was not his recommendation, we also both agree that putting "LPO AT SEA", contradicts the "A must select for Chief" & "Promote Now". He said he was going out to try to question it and bring it up to the MasterChief to see if it can be changed. 

In my mind, I'm thinking they will not change it. My question is, should I really be concerned about the recommendation? It is just a recommendation and I haven't been LPO afloat. 

My real concern is how will the board perceive this? 

I also have another concern which is that my eval also states led "staff members", my concern with this is that shouldn't it say military or civilian members. My last eval I led both military and civilians, which was stated on my eval. 

If my eval, doesn't state who those "staff members" are how will the board perceive "staff members"? Will they automatically think military members? 

Any advice or suggestions, would be great! TIA

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What would be the best way to include in your LTB that you are in a NEC awarding class enroute to your gaining command¿

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On ‎9‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 5:36 PM, NavyChic said:

I know I brought up CDBs a couple of weeks ago and now I am looking for clarification on the CDB and I will also look it up or ask my CCC but I had a discussion with a fellow first class and she stated that the command where I'm at only hold CDB's if you don't make board, not when you don't get selected. I've only been on onboard 6 months and I just found that to be poor leadership. I feel like having a CDB after not getting selected to review your record or go over things you can do or things you can get that you don't have and ways to lead for Sailorization is effective versus a CDB to point out you need to take the time to study to make board. Doesn't make sense to me:mellow:

 

If you go to your SEL/CMC and ask them to review your record with you, I am sure they will. I am seeing this late, but I hope you did that.  Also if your Command is more strict about talking to them, then let your Chief know that you want to talk to them.  Our Command is about as big as yours, and our SEL/CMC sat down with each one who requested it, but we had to email or ask him and CC our COC to get it done.  Extremely worth it, and I am sure they will look at it positively next time they are grading you.  It shows you care.

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On ‎11‎/‎3‎/‎2016 at 4:52 PM, NavyChic said:

At my command we signed our evals early because our CO is leaving. I'm not worried about my average it was over the SGA, my individual trait average went down, but I understand because this is my first eval at a new command. I'm concerned that the recommendation in block 41 states "LPO AT SEA", but in my write up it states "A must select for Chief" and "Promote Now". 

I have seen this before. I believe this issue stems from the wording in the instruction on how to fill this block out. In short it says fill in great and wonderful things that you could go and do. However, it also says not to put in anything that you are not eligible to go do. If memory serves (:blink: and some times it actually does) the example it gives is not putting in "Command at Sea" for an Ensign. Some take this to mean that while you may be able to go fill that function if need be; since you are not a Chief you are not eligible. Therefore you can not have "LCPO" of any kind in that block. In fact it could (emphasis on could) be a distractor since it would be contrary to the instruction to have it.  It also means that having "LPO AT SEA" in that block is not a contradiction to what is in the write up. Look at it this way. This block is only saying what kind of assignments you are recommended for as you are at this moment based on eligibility. Not what could you do if something was different (rank) or if need be. I think the only thing the board will perceive this as is that while you have not been an LPO at Sea you have the commands confidence to go do it and be successful at it.

As for the staff members thing. It may just come down to how much room remained in the write up section. If there was room to put it; they may wonder why it was not. If, not they may just think it was cut to save room for other important stuff. They will just assume that the composition of the members did not change from last year.

Hope this helps. If not let me know and I will try again.

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Advice for E7 exam: Anyone has recommendations on how to study for the navy heritage, professional conduct, and administration. Tired of always score poor on these topics.

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On ‎12‎/‎16‎/‎2016 at 9:25 AM, EM1Norfolk said:

Advice for E7 exam: Anyone has recommendations on how to study for the navy heritage, professional conduct, and administration. Tired of always score poor on these topics.

Get a binder and put in tabs. in those tabs put paper. Each tab is an instruction or manual. Each page is a chapter to that manual or section of that instruction. Focus on major portions or stuff you have seen before on previous exams and ask your Chief what their opinion is on the major items. Write just that stuff down. About a week or two from the exam just focus on what you wrote not the entire manual or instruction. This method has always worked well for me. It doesn't hurt to have quiz days with your fellow Firsts and Chief's.

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On 12/16/2016 at 8:25 AM, EM1Norfolk said:

Advice for E7 exam: Anyone has recommendations on how to study for the navy heritage, professional conduct, and administration. Tired of always score poor on these topics.

For Naval heritage, I always studied chapter 5 of the BMR.  Copy the questions in the chapter onto flash cards and at the end of the BMR, the answers are provided to those question.  Also, the questions on the exam seem to be either about dates/wars or quotes.  Hope this helps.

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The CPO exam is less than two weeks out and I hope the holidays didn't slow down that studying!

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Can anybody help me with these questions...

I finished PPME, IPME, JPME, SEJPME all of the courses last year and it was written on my Evals. I knocked it out even though I am not eligible to take the Chief's Test yet.

But now, there is a newer version of all PMEs in NKO.  

1) Do I have to do the newer version again since I am taking the exam and preping myself if I get board eligibility?

2) Since all PMEs are written on my evals, do I need to enclose a copy of all the certificates if I submitted my LTB?

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On 1/14/2017 at 9:10 AM, Yamzi-USN said:

Can anybody help me with these questions...

I finished PPME, IPME, JPME, SEJPME all of the courses last year and it was written on my Evals. I knocked it out even though I am not eligible to take the Chief's Test yet.

But now, there is a newer version of all PMEs in NKO.  

1) Do I have to do the newer version again since I am taking the exam and preping myself if I get board eligibility?

2) Since all PMEs are written on my evals, do I need to enclose a copy of all the certificates if I submitted my LTB?

1. I will tell you that when the new SEJPME came out, I went ahead and completed it and sent in certificate with my package. Can't hurt if you have the time to knock them out.

2. If it's already documented, no need to send certificates. Ideally, you should only send in items that are missing from your record or designation letters, qual etc. you have earned since your last evaluation or anything you feel is substantial and the board should take into consideration.

My two cents! Best of luck to you and all on the upcoming exam!

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I hope that this forum starts to pick up soon since everyone took the test! This forum brings me such great joy to see people sharing ideas and scoops as to what they think might make you chief. The fact of the matter is that I have spoken with numerous master chiefs that have sat the board and they said it changes every year. The one thing that they all say consistently is that the order of the precepts, is the order of importance to the board. So if CDBs, Warfare involvement and 365 are in the paragraph "1.)" then you better have some type of involvement in those on your eval documented.  The bad thing is that it could change every year, but know if you have those items, it will ensure that you make a difference. I'm not an expert by any means, but I always call those in my field after results and ask them what could I do to stand out and what are you even looking for? I'm about to go overseas and enjoy shore duty, so whatever happens this year is ok with me.

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It was a good exam.  Easier then I expected. Hope everyone else did well!

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Good luck to all!! Hopefully you all move on to the next phase: Selection board!!

If you haven't started reviewing your OMPF and preparing a package for the board, I recommend getting ahead of the curve. Of course, if your record is on point, odds are you won't need to submit a package.

When I went through, I had several Chiefs scrub my record with a fine tooth comb to ensure there was no errors in my PSR/ESR, OMPF, etc. 

Just some food for thought!!

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