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1 minute ago, CPO_Pride247 said:

There is no such list. I am sure that your name is somewhere listed with a ranking from throughout the selection process, but there isn't a list that is released publicly or stored for anyone to see. What would be the point in knowing what number you were ranked anyways without actually knowing the reason for that ranking? If the board selected 60 and you were number 61 does that ensure you a spot next year? Each year the board changes a little with new board members. Although the board is fair, the human element is still there and we often see others based on our own experiences and career path.

Thanks Chief! I knew it sounded to crazy to be true! I had never heard of anything like that in my 17 years. An awful thing to do to him if the Master Chief was just messing with his head.

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On August 9, 2016 at 9:33 AM, NavyChic said:

I reached out to one of the Master Chief that sat the board and he actually remembered me and provided feedback.

One thing he mentioned that is useful to everyone is documented involvement in CPO365, with evals coming up if you facilitated training or led PT, that is something that should be in your eval.

He also mentioned for me that not having any in rate NECs look bad to some MC but I was never sent to C school while on the ship as E4/E5 and made E6 transferring. But I am going to talk to my current command to see if they can send me TAD for 30 days to learn more about my rate.

I've also looked at more responsibilities I can take on now that there are positions available from the results coming out like Watchbill Coordinator, and even positions within the Mess, running for President or Vice President. Also working on my MTS before the next board and becoming an MTS mentor. 

I'm also waiting to have my CDB with the CMC, and I want to bring a few ideas up to him to help the first classes show documented leadership. We have an ACDO watch, but no designation letter.We also don't have any FCPO leads for CPO365 only CPOs. I think there should be a CPO and a FCPO training lead and PT lead and I think those positions should have designation letters.

I gave training this year at CPO365 on brilliant on the basics how would I write that on my eval with showing impact. 

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I am almost done with the JKO Senior Enlisted, start that one ASAP.  It is taking forever.  I wish I had thought of the 365 piece last year for evals after reading in the convening order.  Oh well.  I will have added some wood to the fire this eval season.  I hopefully will get another look at SOY, however I am not sure.  We only have 11 FCPOs in our command, I know I am not a 5.0 sailor but i am filling some huge roles. However, if they do the timeshare piece on SOY its going to make me angry.  I worked hard the last two years. 

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On 8/8/2016 at 8:11 AM, Tony said:

Sustained Superior Performance revisited

I’d like to revisit SSP again because I have seen a trend over the years that leads me to believe that some may not understand this concept. Please note that the opinions are my own – you can come to your own conclusion and feel free to post your thoughts.

The main reason I write this, is when I see someone post that they have had sustained superior performance for years and they don’t understand why they did not make Chief. Well I’ll throw the spoiler here and now. If you did not make Chief, you did not have sustained or superior performance or both. And my first question would be “How in our global Navy’s presence, do you know you have SSP unless you sat on the board?”. When the board convenes, their goal is to get the top qualified Sailors that are eligible for Chief – the sustained superior performers of our whole Navy, not your command. Unless you sit the board, you cannot determine that.

Now, you might be the top dog performer at your command and have proven yourself to the command since day one, but what about your prior command? How well did you do for five years and possibly beyond? And more importantly, how well did that performance stack up against other Sailors in the Navy? Which brings me to two thoughts I'd like to share:

First, you can never have “had” SSP and say you are a sustained superior performer – there is no past tense as far as the selection board goes. In other words, if you had a stellar performance at your command from 5/5/2013 to 5/5/2016, that means you were a top performer at that command while you were there. It does not mean (in the eyes of the board) that you have sustained superior performance (yet) because they still have to a.) look at a few more years of your data and b.) compare you to other qualified Sailors in the stack! Was their performance superior to yours?

Second is the issue of documentation. Many a Sailor will get upset because they know they have gone above and beyond the mission requirement of their command and are sure that the command recognizes this because of the awards and comments. However, it's no longer in the command's hand when it comes to comparing your records to other Sailors in the Navy. You can be a legend in your own mind but – YOU HAVE TO DOCUMENT EVERYTHING!

So as to not write a thesis, here is some food for thought:

  • Document everything ( Superior Performansk- Well Documented )

  • Find your weakest areas (not just your rate or command)

  • Find areas you are lacking (what did that Sailor have that you do not have?) (Possibly something you were not aware of)

  • * Thank goodness, ours is not a zero defect Navy

  • Go above and beyond...

* Folks, if you had a negative bump in the road but are still eligible – you are still eligible. As proven once again this cycle by at least one member of this forum (who got the S).

BBb)

Good insight Tony.  All we can do is keep grinding until they tap us on the shoulder and tell us its time to move on to our new life`s work.

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4 hours ago, Iam32 said:

I gave training this year at CPO365 on brilliant on the basics how would I write that on my eval with showing impact. 

I didnt have much Cpo 365 in my eval until my transfer. I would wrote something like active Cpo 365 member, led training for ###FCPO and ##CPO on brilliance on the basics increasing knowledge, etc.

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1 hour ago, HawkISback said:

Good insight Tony.  All we can do is keep grinding until they tap us on the shoulder and tell us its time to move on to our new life`s work.

Thanks @HawkISback, there's been some awesome folks here that put out some good info and I pick it up to re-share. BBb)

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12 hours ago, HawkISback said:

I am almost done with the JKO Senior Enlisted, start that one ASAP.  It is taking forever.  I wish I had thought of the 365 piece last year for evals after reading in the convening order.  Oh well.  I will have added some wood to the fire this eval season.  I hopefully will get another look at SOY, however I am not sure.  We only have 11 FCPOs in our command, I know I am not a 5.0 sailor but i am filling some huge roles. However, if they do the timeshare piece on SOY its going to make me angry.  I worked hard the last two years. 

Yeah man that SEJPME is a 40 hour course and you can skip through it. It's not a bad course just takes a long time to doo

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Welllllll, let me put it like this. The day I let someone stop me from doing my thing, like fishing, just to argue the guidelines with me, is the day this forum ceases to exit... 

Ain't gonna' happen

:graphics-3d-smileys-082254:

 

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On 8/4/2016 at 6:33 PM, Tony said:

Has anyone outlined a plan of attack as far as what they are going to do to make Chief?

E.g Studying, college, records review, Sailorization etc.
 

Tony, I will have several added cannon balls to fire at H.M.S Select.  Now if only the Ordies load them.  lolz

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4 hours ago, Tony said:

Welllllll, let me put it like this. The day I let someone stop me from doing my thing, like fishing, just to argue the guidelines with me, is the day this forum ceases to exit... 

Ain't gonna' happen

:graphics-3d-smileys-082254:

 

I wanna hear the back story to this.

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23 hours ago, HawkISback said:

I am almost done with the JKO Senior Enlisted, start that one ASAP.  It is taking forever.  I wish I had thought of the 365 piece last year for evals after reading in the convening order.  Oh well.  I will have added some wood to the fire this eval season.  I hopefully will get another look at SOY, however I am not sure.  We only have 11 FCPOs in our command, I know I am not a 5.0 sailor but i am filling some huge roles. However, if they do the timeshare piece on SOY its going to make me angry.  I worked hard the last two years. 

I also really want a redemption look at my that high level.  I did not acquit myself how I wanted to during the board. 

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On 8/9/2016 at 8:08 AM, NAVYGUY209 said:

Nice, I did the same thing. The Master Chief I talked to brought up CPO365 and said it was looked at hard this year.  Another thing that got brought up was I got my SEJPME, PPME & MTS after I made board. Sucks but that's how it fell. He said the board will give you points but can still look negatively because it looks like I only did it because I made board. So if anyone in here is working on that, I would have it done prior too board results, just to take that suspicion away from the board.  For you @NavyChic we have 2 FCPO and 2 CPO's that run CPO365 so it can be done and I would push for it for sure.

Another thing we talked about was USMAP and college which he said were looked hard this year too, USMAP is super easy and only take a couple minutes to account for your 40 hour work week in port/shore duty and if you are out to sea.

I have heard several people quote that, it seems illogical to me.  I mean so its negative this year, but next board it will turn positive or will it stay negative?  

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2 hours ago, HawkISback said:

I wanna hear the back story to this.

lol, I PMed you, I was watching the Olympics!

:D

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5 hours ago, CPO_Pride247 said:

I am glad to hear someone is actually taking the course and not just looking to get a check in the box. The purpose of JPME is to help us as leaders when we go into the joint arena which is becoming more and more common. Don't just complete a course , get a degree, volunteer, or do anything just to because it is something that is required for a certain paygrade. Do it because you want to do it, because it is something that is beneficial, and most importantly, because it is going to make your Sailors better because of it. Don't just be a volunteer, lead your command in volunteer events. Don't just do JPME and PPME, tell your Sailors and peers why knowing the lessons and material is important to our success as a Navy. Don't just take college because you want points on a board, do it because you want to learn something and help others learn the same things. Taking college seriously will also make you a better writer. Getting my Master's Degree benefited me as a writer and speaker in more ways than I would have ever imagined. It also benefited my peers and junior Sailors because I help them with EVALs, papers, and emails. Make sure everything you set out to accomplish has value and brings value to yourself and others. Thanks @NAVYGUY209 for seeking out the benefits!

I wonder if I am the only one getting anxious.

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Here is a sample of an outline I mentioned that may help keep track of what you need to do. This can easily be done in a word doc and you can tape it to your closet door or someplace to remind you of your progress. You can also outline it any way you wish, choose any strategy you wish,  and it can be as detailed or generic as you want as well.

1. Education

  • Study weakest areas for exam
  • Take advanced basket weaving course OR
  • Expect to finish degree this year (make sure it is added to records)
  • Start my USMAP

2. Volunteer

  • Put myself in for MOVSM OR
  • Start volunteer coach for advanced basket weaving for teens

3. Sailorization

  • Review training jackets in shop and get applicable local schools started
  • Review members quals and get them going
  • See if I can get mentors for those wanting mentorship (I'll ask Chief)
  • Get to know my troops better

4. Records

  • Review my records as if my life depended on it THEN...
  • Ask in rate Chief at my command to review my records THEN
  • Ask a Chief outside my command to review my records. (got these ideas from a CPO_Pride post)
  • Contact prior board member for advise/ record review

5. Etc.

 

What do you need to do to become Chief?
<points to the audience>

:5200:

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I asked some Nimitz combat systems guys to look at. It's my Limdu evals hurting me. But I'll have my USMAP, associates, all those PPMEs, 100% prt pas rate as CFL, 100% inspection grade on CCC, I'm starting volunteering at YMCA, leading volunteer effort on my base, 365 bullets.  If I don't get it next year I'm hoping getting my bachelors next will put me over. I try to be the guy junior sailors ask questions. If nothing else I want them to make informed life choices. 

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12 hours ago, HawkISback said:

I asked some Nimitz combat systems guys to look at. It's my Limdu evals hurting me. But I'll have my USMAP, associates, all those PPMEs, 100% prt pas rate as CFL, 100% inspection grade on CCC, I'm starting volunteering at YMCA, leading volunteer effort on my base, 365 bullets.  If I don't get it next year I'm hoping getting my bachelors next will put me over. I try to be the guy junior sailors ask questions. If nothing else I want them to make informed life choices. 

maybe a letter to the board next year regarding the limdu? :huh:

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I'm thinking about that, I really almost did it last board. However, I was wondering on how to address the issue. 

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46 minutes ago, HawkISback said:

I'm thinking about that, I really almost did it last board. However, I was wondering on how to address the issue. 

You have time to strategize that one. Maybe write something up and let a Chief you trust look/ work it? Either way I think it would be worth it.

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I finished my JKO SEJPME.  WOOT. Besides documenting in evaluations how do we get them in our record? Thanks. 

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7 hours ago, NavySAR said:

Anyone have any good eval bullets for dual-hatting LPO jobs? My command just gave me the LPO job for two major departments at the same time..

I would structure your bullets to include major achievements from both Departments, ie.. X amount of Sailors under your charge, readiness capabilities, training qualifications, awards for top performers ect..

Just remember that when you are the leader it is not about you, but how those who work for you perform. You are there to "Right the Ship" and keep everyone on course. 

As LPO I always structured my evals as such..Unit/Department, Sailors, Self. If you dont have room to explain your own accomplishments it is not so bad. Put that in the Awards, Education block. And of course CPO 365 has been a huge item as of late for good reason.

Good luck

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Question for the chiefs in the forum. I was told that because i didnt deploy while at my last command(not a ship but marine comand) it probably hurt me on the selection board. Now that i am on shore,  should i look for a deployment or do the best i can on shore duty? I haven't sailorization, awards, associate degree,  all the ppme,jpme, movsm, etc. 

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Reposting this from one of my previous post in another thread.

For those who want to scrub their record early, go the NPC website, select the Career Info tab, then select Career Toolbox, and on that page there is a Personnel Records Review checklist and many other tools that can help you review your record.

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11 hours ago, Admin_warrior said:

Question for the chiefs in the forum. I was told that because i didnt deploy while at my last command(not a ship but marine comand) it probably hurt me on the selection board. Now that i am on shore,  should i look for a deployment or do the best i can on shore duty? I haven't sailorization, awards, associate degree,  all the ppme,jpme, movsm, etc. 

It is true that arrguous duty and deployments have been valued in the past. The precepts are a great tool to use in order to recognize what the board is looking for in your record.

However, the board can not see that you had the opportunity to deploy and did not unless it is obvious in your evals. Leadership remains the key piece in the puzzle. But of course leadership comes in all manner of forms, be it direct or indirect. Find your strengths and work on your weaknesses. Reading leadership style books helps tremendously. 21 irrefutable laws of leadership is a good start. Easy read and great insite for all leaders.

Look for trends within your rate and contact those who selected to find the differences and what you didnt have that they did.

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On 8/17/2016 at 10:52 PM, AWFChief said:

Reposting this from one of my previous post in another thread.

For those who want to scrub their record early, go the NPC website, select the Career Info tab, then select Career Toolbox, and on that page there is a Personnel Records Review checklist and many other tools that can help you review your record.

I also have the Personnel Record Review link located on the "Chiefs Selection Board Preparation" page of this website. If anyone has any additions, deletions or changes for that page please let me know. 

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