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OS1(SW/EXW)

BUPERS is still running strong, so doubt today is the day :rolleyes:

 

On the down side however, I met with the CMC for C3F and he looked over my package and evals...and he didn't paint a rosy picture. They place a HIGH emphasis on your triat scores vs the commanders avg and most of my evals (almost all MP and EP) were at or below the avg. I had an EP that was below the avg and he said that is a real red flag to the board...so I guess better luck for me next year. He DID explain the importance of fighting for your score to be above the avg, which I never really paid attention to in the past. Not a bad discussion, but I will start looking at next year, especially with the quotas being so bad this year...

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CTRC(IW/SW/AW)
16 hours ago, Christyl said:

I had a good year this year, however I failed a PRT three years ago, so i don't know if that will cancel out this year or not :/ I am hoping it is less of a hit because it was 3 years ago! Anyone make Chief with a PRT failure?

I understand how having a negative in your record can be disheartening. I had a NJP that was at 4 years and 10 months when I was selected. My advancement was put on hold because of it too. Having negatives in your record makes it hard, but it's all about what you do afterwards. You are at a disadvantage to those that don't have any, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. It just matters who is sitting the board and what those folks that you are going up against have done. Good luck!

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12 minutes ago, CTRC(IW/SW/AW) said:

I understand how having a negative in your record can be disheartening. I had a NJP that was at 4 years and 10 months when I was selected. My advancement was put on hold because of it too. Having negatives in your record makes it hard, but it's all about what you do afterwards. You are at a disadvantage to those that don't have any, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. It just matters who is sitting the board and what those folks that you are going up against have done. Good luck!

Thank you Chief! The failure was me coming off of a foot surgery, and that was documented in my eval, so maybe that will help! Then I went on to become the Command CFL. I HATE the zero defect Navy mentality. Its not realistic. I think we are getting away from it but there are people who believe that. I have been told it is a 5 year wait when you get a PRT failure and I hope that I can prove them wrong. 

 No matter what, I will take it and move on. I will keep my head up and working hard, not for the rank but for my own pride in my work. 

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Christyl

When do you'll think AD will release the results. I am voting 1 August to commands and 2 August NAVADMIN! 

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ITJuan(IW/SW/AW) 009
16 minutes ago, Christyl said:

When do you'll think AD will release the results. I am voting 1 August to commands and 2 August NAVADMIN! 

I concur. August 1 triad release, August 2 navadmin.

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Mestizo68
51 minutes ago, OS1(SW/EXW) said:

BUPERS is still running strong, so doubt today is the day :rolleyes:

 

On the down side however, I met with the CMC for C3F and he looked over my package and evals...and he didn't paint a rosy picture. They place a HIGH emphasis on your triat scores vs the commanders avg and most of my evals (almost all MP and EP) were at or below the avg. I had an EP that was below the avg and he said that is a real red flag to the board...so I guess better luck for me next year. He DID explain the importance of fighting for your score to be above the avg, which I never really paid attention to in the past. Not a bad discussion, but I will start looking at next year, especially with the quotas being so bad this year...

what was your trait average vs r/s average for the past five years? I'm curious because your evals were MP and up? Did you not meet or exceed the reporting seniors average amongst your peers?

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ITJuan(IW/SW/AW) 009

I'm curious to know how the board sees or grades when it comes to individual summary averages to r/s cumulative averages. I understand they look at the past 5 years (and longer if need be), but to get over that hump and hopefully get that S, do you have to be above or at r/s avg 5 years straight or can you be above or at r/s avg 3 out of the 5 years?  I've always been curious.  For instance:

  1. 2013 - at r/s
  2. 2014 - above r/s (transfer)
  3. 2014 - below r/s (welcome aboard p)
  4. 2015 - above r/s
  5. 2016 - above r/s

Yay or nay?

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HawkISback
1 hour ago, OS1(SW/EXW) said:

BUPERS is still running strong, so doubt today is the day :rolleyes:

 

On the down side however, I met with the CMC for C3F and he looked over my package and evals...and he didn't paint a rosy picture. They place a HIGH emphasis on your triat scores vs the commanders avg and most of my evals (almost all MP and EP) were at or below the avg. I had an EP that was below the avg and he said that is a real red flag to the board...so I guess better luck for me next year. He DID explain the importance of fighting for your score to be above the avg, which I never really paid attention to in the past. Not a bad discussion, but I will start looking at next year, especially with the quotas being so bad this year...

I think not having a rosy picture is sometimes good. I know people always post to stay positive, however realism is key.  It can be painful when we think this is it I'm there. But in either case good luck   .  

 

No matter what your rank is you cannot stop improving yourself. A lot of "leaders" do and they come off as hypocrites.  I try and learn something everyday whether professionally or personally. 

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OS1(SW/EXW)
1 hour ago, Mestizo68 said:

what was your trait average vs r/s average for the past five years? I'm curious because your evals were MP and up? Did you not meet or exceed the reporting seniors average amongst your peers?

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  1.         (IND SUM)              (R/S SUM)
  2. 2010 -   3.43                       3.41                  "MP"
  3. 2011 -   3.71                       3.92                  "MP"
  4. 2012 -   4.14                       4.15                  "EP"
  5. 2013 -   2.57                       3.88                  "SP"
  6. 2014 -   3.14                       3.31                  "MP"
  7. 2015 -   3.43                       3.35                  "MP"
  8. 2016 -   4.14                       3.98                  "EP"

The bolded ones are below the average, EVEN the EP was under the average, which the CMC is not good, even though an EP.

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1 hour ago, papasmurf said:

i was explained this about 4 years ago.. and I always fight for that now. even a P or MP eval should be above avg if you can manage that really says a lot to the board, the mess and CO can tell the board a lot just by some key words in the write up and the summary avg. Its a weird system but once you understand it even what looks like a EP awesome eval can show a board that they are not ready. 

Most of the time they protect the CO summary and the write up should read and tell why. My last eval was a 5 month P but read like an EP and my trait score was lowest I've had  cause CO summary was low  (3.65). 

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ITJuan(IW/SW/AW) 009
19 minutes ago, OS1(SW/EXW) said:
  1.         (IND SUM)              (R/S SUM)
  2. 2010 -   3.43                       3.41                  "MP"
  3. 2011 -   3.71                       3.92                  "MP"
  4. 2012 -   4.14                       4.15                  "EP"
  5. 2013 -   2.57                       3.88                  "SP"
  6. 2014 -   3.14                       3.31                  "MP"
  7. 2015 -   3.43                       3.35                  "MP"
  8. 2016 -   4.14                       3.98                  "EP"

The bolded ones are below the average, EVEN the EP was under the average, which the CMC is not good, even though an EP.

In your 2012 eval, your 4.14 to 4.15 shouldn't hurt, right? To me that would be pretty much at r/s avg.

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CTRC(IW/SW/AW)
1 hour ago, Christyl said:

Thank you Chief! The failure was me coming off of a foot surgery, and that was documented in my eval, so maybe that will help! Then I went on to become the Command CFL. I HATE the zero defect Navy mentality. Its not realistic. I think we are getting away from it but there are people who believe that. I have been told it is a 5 year wait when you get a PRT failure and I hope that I can prove them wrong. 

 No matter what, I will take it and move on. I will keep my head up and working hard, not for the rank but for my own pride in my work. 

That's about all you can do. I did the same and like I said, I got selected before the 5 year mark. I just had to go through the process of getting my advancement released. That was a good learning process right there.  It's not zero defect, it just makes it harder. The cream rises to the top and if it's your year, it's your year. 

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SeaBeeDoc
4 hours ago, TRON828 said:

Baseball and soon football will start up.. Any Miami Dolphin fans in here??:D

Talking football definitely takes the mind off...I mean I totally forgot ive

been waiting for weeks for results !!!!! :ph34r:

Die Hard Cowboys fan here! Going all the way this season! What would the best is making Chief, and both the Cowboys and the Spurs getting their sixth title!

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I heard through a friend of mine that his command says the FTS results will be out tomorrow, and most definitely will be out this week. We shall see, tick tick, tick tock

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Mestizo68
13 minutes ago, SeaBeeDoc said:

I heard through a friend of mine that his command says the FTS results will be out tomorrow, and most definitely will be out this week. We shall see, tick tick, tick tock

I heard that the same.

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BOATSNUGGYD
13 minutes ago, SeaBeeDoc said:

I heard through a friend of mine that his command says the FTS results will be out tomorrow, and most definitely will be out this week. We shall see, tick tick, tick tock

I sure hope so good news or bad

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SeaBeeDoc

I am honestly trying not to get my hopes up, I have also already pulled my Bibs for next cycle. I have one , 1of 1 MP which will drop off next year, the only thing else that can be a distacter is my TPA has not moved up nor has it moved down and it has remained the same the last to cycles. However it is still been higher than the CO's average. How much weight does sustain performance factor in? My rate dropped from 19% to 12% this cycle and they are only selecting 10. That being said I have had both encouraging and discouraging remarks when having my package reviewed. So it's anyone's guess ? 

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PSjg78
25 minutes ago, BOATSNUGGYD said:

I sure hope so good news or bad

Im hearing the timeline should be out tomorrow sometime and results Wednesday but we shall see... I just really hope its this week....

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HI_IT

I posted this several pages back but now that there are more people on I'd like to ask again.  Looking for honest feedback.

I had a 1 of 1 transfer MP in 2013 but is was above the Reporting Senior’s Cumulative Average.  How bad is this?  And does being above the average really make a difference in a case like this?

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3 hours ago, ITJuan(IW/SW/AW) 009 said:

I'm curious to know how the board sees or grades when it comes to individual summary averages to r/s cumulative averages. I understand they look at the past 5 years (and longer if need be), but to get over that hump and hopefully get that S, do you have to be above or at r/s avg 5 years straight or can you be above or at r/s avg 3 out of the 5 years?  I've always been curious.  For instance:

  1. 2013 - at r/s
  2. 2014 - above r/s (transfer)
  3. 2014 - below r/s (welcome aboard p)
  4. 2015 - above r/s
  5. 2016 - above r/s

Yay or nay?

SSP doesn't necessarily mean you're at or above average on every eval. What they want to see is upward mobility. Being below average on first eval is normal. You are expected to move above average  after your second or third year onboard. 

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8 minutes ago, HI_IT said:

I posted this several pages back but now that there are more people on I'd like to ask again.  Looking for honest feedback.

I had a 1 of 1 transfer MP in 2013 but is was above the Reporting Senior’s Cumulative Average.  How bad is this?  And does being above the average really make a difference in a case like this?

A 1/1 MP typically known as air gap eval could make the board wonder why your CO chose to not award you the EP. This is career ending in Officer fitrep I am told. Not sure how it's treated with enlisted boards especially since your CO still put you above cumulative average. Mixed message to say the least.

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ITJuan(IW/SW/AW) 009
15 minutes ago, Dogg said:

SSP doesn't necessarily mean you're at or above average on every eval. What they want to see is upward mobility. Being below average on first eval is normal. You are expected to move above average  after your second or third year onboard. 

That is how I broke out. Hopefully I have a good chance this year with the 19% we have.

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HI_IT
11 minutes ago, Dogg said:

A 1/1 MP typically known as air gap eval could make the board wonder why your CO chose to not award you the EP. This is career ending in Officer fitrep I am told. Not sure how it's treated with enlisted boards especially since your CO still put you above cumulative average. Mixed message to say the least.

Yeah, it's a bit confusing.  Seems bad though.

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1 hour ago, HI_IT said:

I posted this several pages back but now that there are more people on I'd like to ask again.  Looking for honest feedback.

I had a 1 of 1 transfer MP in 2013 but is was above the Reporting Senior’s Cumulative Average.  How bad is this?  And does being above the average really make a difference in a case like this?

10 years ago I got a 1 of 1 frocked MP, and the following year I got a 4.0 P.  Since I was transferring in January the OIC was nice enough to do a letter of extension to make it my transfer eval.  Now as for your 1 or 1 MP.  I think it depends on the write up.  Did they in the write up have justification for it being a MP instead of the usual out the door EP?

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