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3 minutes ago, HM_(FMF/SW/PJ) said:

On career summaries I've heard valid points on both sides:

1) Master Chiefs know how to read evals.

2) On those late days during the board a career summary makes it easier for a Master Chief to look at your career summary, then find those things in your evals.

Personally, I don't think a career summary hurts a candidate's chances.

I think a pdf of your actual summary (minus your personal info) would be easier to read.  A list of your college classes should be on your 881. That should have been an enclosure or an OMPF document.  If you put something on your career summary without proof to back it up you won't get points for it.

Totally agree. But that's how I ended up with a lot of enclosures...

LTB Sample.pdf

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1 hour ago, CPO_Pride247 said:

I like it, and I plan to use it. Great way to allow someone to show leadership and management skills at the same time.

At my command they used CPO 365 just like the FCPOA postions. You had president, vice president, secretary, master at arms and PAO. They cycled it out every 4 months so it allowed for leadership opportunities in 365. Even if you didn't have a postion, you could participate and volunteer to lead PT, provide training, etc.

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3 minutes ago, HM_(FMF/SW/PJ) said:

On career summaries I've heard valid points on both sides:

1) Master Chiefs know how to read evals.

2) On those late days during the board a career summary makes it easier for a Master Chief to look at your career summary, then find those things in your evals.

Personally, I don't think a career summary hurts a candidate's chances.

I think a pdf of your actual summary (minus your personal info) would be easier to read.  A list of your college classes should be on your 881. That should have been an enclosure or an OMPF document.  If you put something on your career summary without proof to back it up you won't get points for it.

Totally agree. But that's how I ended up with a lot of enclosures...

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Ok, so I would like to share some gouge I got last year.  

Let me give you a brief background on me so that this makes sense.  Two commands ago I left as the #2 EP (periodic) in my command.  I had been an extremely successful LPO in three different positions during my time there.  My duty was shore based, but I was deployable.  I was very successful on my deployments and was a division chief at a MALS unit overseas in Japan.  I had been attending college for 5 years and at the time was 6 or so classes away from my bachelors.  Career counselor, lots of volunteerism, Joint service, 7 NAMs, well above CO's average with normal upward progression with sustained superior performance.  I then transferred to Recruiting Duty where I flew out the gate as the Rookie Recruiter of the year, then LPO of a recruiting station the following year.  I had all the blocks I had the opportunity to check filled with a few that I still had plans to pursue when offered the opportunity.  My evals were solid.  About 50 chiefs looked at my evals and had little to no critiques.  I got the "N" last year and about went through the roof.

I ended up contacting a Master Chief who had sat the board and sent in my package to him to review and tell me where I went wrong.  He said, number one, that he wished there were more quotas and that it was extremely difficult to rack and stack.  He said that having to move a person worthy of Chief to the no select pile was one of the hardest things he had ever had to do, but that it was a necessity.  He began to tear my package apart, which really pissed me off, by asking a thousand questions about it.  He asked... 

Why don't you have your MOVSM when you have all this volunteerism?  It was all documented, I didn't know I needed it if it was already there.

Why don't you have a degree with all of this college in your record?  I had to switch to a BS due to degree completion timeline requirements at my school.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

Why didn't you have this qual at this command?  I was deployable and my command wouldn't support it because I could leave at any time.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

I didn't see PPME in your record.  Why?  I haven't got to that yet, it is on my list of things to do.

Why weren't you the division LPO?  Again, I was deployable, so I was unable to hold that position.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

Why weren't you in QA?  Deployable.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

These were just a few of the questions that were asked, but they went on and on...  This is what I lost...  I missed out on 10 or so points for a MOVSM that would have taken me a whole hour to write and route.  I missed out on 10 or so points for an associates degree by skipping it and going for my BS.  I missed out on points for quals I was ineligible to get.  I missed out on 10 or so points for PPME because PPME is worth the same as an Associates Degree!!!  

This is what I learned... If I had written in my LTB the reasons for all of this I would have received points and then some.  Let me splain...

If I would have explained the issue with the college, I may have received points and possibly more because I was so close to my BS.  I should have sent in my transcripts with an explanation.  If I would have explained the qual issue, I would have probably received more points for my other accomplishments that I did do because I was unable to do the things they were looking for.  Finally, it's all about the points.  

Sadly, they "grade" your package.  This means that they assign a point value for everything that they find and deduct points for negative things they find.  Unfortunately, they are bound by these rules.  Even though I was super successful leading, mentoring and guiding Sailors; I had an impact everywhere I went; I worked on personal and professional development, the points got me in the end.  So I saw people on the list that I knew, that did not work as hard for their Sailors and their Command as I did, get picked up for Chief.  Even though I slaved countless nights working on my degree, it was for not in the end.  

Let me be clear.  I am not crying.  I picked myself up, dusted off and began to address the issues he brought up.  I always told myself that I wouldn't be that guy who had 100 quals and did nothing with them, well I threw that theory out the window. I got my MOVSM, PPME, Addressed the issues in the LTB, accomplished other things and left my recruiting command as the #3 (periodic).

I hope I make it this year, but if I do not, I know that it isn't because I am not deserving of Chief, it is because I didn't attain enough points to be competitive enough.  It's about points points points.  Get everything you can.  Explain things in your record.  Don't worry about sending in too many enclosures or that your LTB explains too much.  In a nutshell, anything you think would count as points, or if you want them to see it, or know why about something, include it in your LTB.  This may be redundant for most of you, but it was an eye opener for me.  I hope this helps someone...  

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22 minutes ago, fryeguy67 said:

Here's what I submitted for Career Summary. I omitted my personal info. Did you guys do something in the similar format?

From talking to multiple sources, the common denominator was "It's your package, if you think you'll lose sleep over it, send it. Ultimately, it's your decision.

NAVAL CAREER SUMMARY SAMPLE.docx

Here's is what I submitted. I think overall very similar in content just different formatting. 

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It's good to see a little change up with the topic. This weekend will be the calm before the storm. Monday I'm the UI for CDO for the base, so maybe I can pick up some intel if we don't hear anything over the weekend. :D

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21 minutes ago, Ordy said:

Ok, so I would like to share some gouge I got last year.  

Let me give you a brief background on me so that this makes sense.  Two commands ago I left as the #2 EP (periodic) in my command.  I had been an extremely successful LPO in three different positions during my time there.  My duty was shore based, but I was deployable.  I was very successful on my deployments and was a division chief at a MALS unit overseas in Japan.  I had been attending college for 5 years and at the time was 6 or so classes away from my bachelors.  Career counselor, lots of volunteerism, Joint service, 7 NAMs, well above CO's average with normal upward progression with sustained superior performance.  I then transferred to Recruiting Duty where I flew out the gate as the Rookie Recruiter of the year, then LPO of a recruiting station the following year.  I had all the blocks I had the opportunity to check filled with a few that I still had plans to pursue when offered the opportunity.  My evals were solid.  About 50 chiefs looked at my evals and had little to no critiques.  I got the "N" last year and about went through the roof.

I ended up contacting a Master Chief who had sat the board and sent in my package to him to review and tell me where I went wrong.  He said, number one, that he wished there were more quotas and that it was extremely difficult to rack and stack.  He said that having to move a person worthy of Chief to the no select pile was one of the hardest things he had ever had to do, but that it was a necessity.  He began to tear my package apart, which really pissed me off, by asking a thousand questions about it.  He asked... 

Why don't you have your MOVSM when you have all this volunteerism?  It was all documented, I didn't know I needed it if it was already there.

Why don't you have a degree with all of this college in your record?  I had to switch to a BS due to degree completion timeline requirements at my school.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

Why didn't you have this qual at this command?  I was deployable and my command wouldn't support it because I could leave at any time.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

I didn't see PPME in your record.  Why?  I haven't got to that yet, it is on my list of things to do.

Why weren't you the division LPO?  Again, I was deployable, so I was unable to hold that position.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

Why weren't you in QA?  Deployable.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

These were just a few of the questions that were asked, but they went on and on...  This is what I lost...  I missed out on 10 or so points for a MOVSM that would have taken me a whole hour to write and route.  I missed out on 10 or so points for an associates degree by skipping it and going for my BS.  I missed out on points for quals I was ineligible to get.  I missed out on 10 or so points for PPME because PPME is worth the same as an Associates Degree!!!  

This is what I learned... If I had written in my LTB the reasons for all of this I would have received points and then some.  Let me splain...

If I would have explained the issue with the college, I may have received points and possibly more because I was so close to my BS.  I should have sent in my transcripts with an explanation.  If I would have explained the qual issue, I would have probably received more points for my other accomplishments that I did do because I was unable to do the things they were looking for.  Finally, it's all about the points.  

Sadly, they "grade" your package.  This means that they assign a point value for everything that they find and deduct points for negative things they find.  Unfortunately, they are bound by these rules.  Even though I was super successful leading, mentoring and guiding Sailors; I had an impact everywhere I went; I worked on personal and professional development, the points got me in the end.  So I saw people on the list that I knew, that did not work as hard for their Sailors and their Command as I did, get picked up for Chief.  Even though I slaved countless nights working on my degree, it was for not in the end.  

Let me be clear.  I am not crying.  I picked myself up, dusted off and began to address the issues he brought up.  I always told myself that I wouldn't be that guy who had 100 quals and did nothing with them, well I threw that theory out the window. I got my MOVSM, PPME, Addressed the issues in the LTB, accomplished other things and left my recruiting command as the #3.

I hope I make it this year, but if I do not, I know that it isn't because I am not deserving of Chief, it is because I didn't attain enough points to be competitive enough.  It's about points points points.  Get everything you can.  Explain things in your record.  Don't worry about sending in too many enclosures or that your LTB explains too much.  In a nutshell, anything you think would count as points, or if you want them to see it, or know why about something, include it in your LTB.  This may be redundant for most of you, but it was an eye opener for me.  I hope this helps someone...  

Extremely eye-opening ordie brother! Hope you get that "S" this year.  This is very helpful.

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17 minutes ago, OrdieDevilDolphin said:

Extremely eye-opening ordie brother! Hope you get that "S" this year.  This is very helpful.

Me too!

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@Ordy I feel your pain bro. I sent in 12 enclosures and wrote in my LTB about my Limdu periods. I figure that if they have to look at my OMPF fled codes 30-38, PSR, and LTB, the board will have to deny a whole lot of stuff. 

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31 minutes ago, OrdieDevilDolphin said:

Extremely eye-opening ordie brother! Hope you get that "S" this year.  This is very helpful.

Good luck bro, I read that from beginning to end. Lots of good info. Our quotas are not that great and the competition is tough. Hopefully this forum can produce some AOC's...IYAOYAS...

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Just now, USNAO1AWSW said:

Good luck bro, I read that from beginning to end. Lots of good info. Our quotas are not that great and the competition is tough. Hopefully this forum can produce some AOC's...IYAOYAS...

How many of us are on here?

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1 minute ago, OrdieDevilDolphin said:

How many of us are on here?

I've seen 4 or 5 active so far.

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2 minutes ago, USNAO1AWSW said:

I've seen 4 or 5 active so far.

I hope we all get it, but given how good all our records look against each other I say minimum 2 out of 5 ordies on this forum make it.

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2 minutes ago, OrdieDevilDolphin said:

I hope we all get it, but given how good all our records look against each other I say minimum 2 out of 5 ordies on this forum make it.

I agree..we actually care a lot and from what I've seen so far posted in this forum, there is definitely potential for some AOC Selects in here. This forum has answered a lot of my questions and has helped me get to where I'm at now...

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8 minutes ago, USNAO1AWSW said:

I agree..we actually care a lot and from what I've seen so far posted in this forum, there is definitely potential for some AOC Selects in here. This forum has answered a lot of my questions and has helped me get to where I'm at now...

Good luck to al my Ordie Brothers and Sisters!!! IYAOYAS!!!

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Pretty nice sized group for this time at night. I guess everyone is catching up on their reading... ;)

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2 hours ago, Ordy said:

Ok, so I would like to share some gouge I got last year.  

Let me give you a brief background on me so that this makes sense.  Two commands ago I left as the #2 EP (periodic) in my command.  I had been an extremely successful LPO in three different positions during my time there.  My duty was shore based, but I was deployable.  I was very successful on my deployments and was a division chief at a MALS unit overseas in Japan.  I had been attending college for 5 years and at the time was 6 or so classes away from my bachelors.  Career counselor, lots of volunteerism, Joint service, 7 NAMs, well above CO's average with normal upward progression with sustained superior performance.  I then transferred to Recruiting Duty where I flew out the gate as the Rookie Recruiter of the year, then LPO of a recruiting station the following year.  I had all the blocks I had the opportunity to check filled with a few that I still had plans to pursue when offered the opportunity.  My evals were solid.  About 50 chiefs looked at my evals and had little to no critiques.  I got the "N" last year and about went through the roof.

I ended up contacting a Master Chief who had sat the board and sent in my package to him to review and tell me where I went wrong.  He said, number one, that he wished there were more quotas and that it was extremely difficult to rack and stack.  He said that having to move a person worthy of Chief to the no select pile was one of the hardest things he had ever had to do, but that it was a necessity.  He began to tear my package apart, which really pissed me off, by asking a thousand questions about it.  He asked... 

Why don't you have your MOVSM when you have all this volunteerism?  It was all documented, I didn't know I needed it if it was already there.

Why don't you have a degree with all of this college in your record?  I had to switch to a BS due to degree completion timeline requirements at my school.

These were just a few of the questions that were asked, but they went on and on...  This is what I lost...  I missed out on 10 or so points for a MOVSM that would have taken me a whole hour to write and route.  I missed out on 10 or so points for an associates degree by skipping it and going for my BS.  I missed out on points for quals I was ineligible to get.  I missed out on 10 or so points for PPME because PPME is worth the same as an Associates Degree!!! 

This is what I learned... If I had written in my LTB the reasons for all of this I would have received points and then some.  Let me splain...

If I would have explained the issue with the college, I may have received points and possibly more because I was so close to my BS.  I should have sent in my transcripts with an explanation.  If I would have explained the qual issue, I would have probably received more points for my other accomplishments that I did do because I was unable to do the things they were looking for.  Finally, it's all about the points.  

Sadly, they "grade" your package.  This means that they assign a point value for everything that they find and deduct points for negative things they find.  Unfortunately, they are bound by these rules.  Even though I was super successful leading, mentoring and guiding Sailors; I had an impact everywhere I went; I worked on personal and professional development, the points got me in the end.  So I saw people on the list that I knew, that did not work as hard for their Sailors and their Command as I did, get picked up for Chief.  Even though I slaved countless nights working on my degree, it was for not in the end.  

Let me be clear.  I am not crying.  I picked myself up, dusted off and began to address the issues he brought up.  I always told myself that I wouldn't be that guy who had 100 quals and did nothing with them, well I threw that theory out the window. I got my MOVSM, PPME, Addressed the issues in the LTB, accomplished other things and left my recruiting command as the #3 (periodic).

I hope I make it this year, but if I do not, I know that it isn't because I am not deserving of Chief, it is because I didn't attain enough points to be competitive enough.  It's about points points points.  Get everything you can.  Explain things in your record.  Don't worry about sending in too many enclosures or that  This may be redundant for most of you, but it was an eye opener for me.  I hope this helps someone...  

This was really eye opening @Ordy. Thanks for this post. If I don't make it this year then this will definitely help for next time. I'm going to pass this info off to the boys as well! 

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54 minutes ago, Tony said:

Pretty nice sized group for this time at night. I guess everyone is catching up on their reading... ;)

Maybe one to many night caps haha and stress. For me atleast 

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I enjoy coming on here for the last hour and a half of my watch to catch up on reading. Looks like many of my FF are in the same boat I am as far as accomplishments and leading Sailors. My question now is, how do you sleep at night? I go all day without thinking about it, or when i do, i tell myself i didn't make it so i wont be disappointed to see that "N" (which isn't that bad since I am coming off deployment, and I will get to see my family a lot more) , but when I am trying to get those five hours of sleep at night, I constantly think about getting that "S", phase 2,  and being pinned on SEP 16th. I didn't have that issue last year.

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15 hours ago, Riverine Rat said:

safe bet nothing going to happen today

How long were you at RIVRON one? I was part of MOBEXSECGRU ONE back when it was NCWGRU One from 2003-2006 and they were standing up those RIVRON units.Even helped write the EXW pin.

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8 hours ago, Ordy said:

Ok, so I would like to share some gouge I got last year.  

Let me give you a brief background on me so that this makes sense.  Two commands ago I left as the #2 EP (periodic) in my command.  I had been an extremely successful LPO in three different positions during my time there.  My duty was shore based, but I was deployable.  I was very successful on my deployments and was a division chief at a MALS unit overseas in Japan.  I had been attending college for 5 years and at the time was 6 or so classes away from my bachelors.  Career counselor, lots of volunteerism, Joint service, 7 NAMs, well above CO's average with normal upward progression with sustained superior performance.  I then transferred to Recruiting Duty where I flew out the gate as the Rookie Recruiter of the year, then LPO of a recruiting station the following year.  I had all the blocks I had the opportunity to check filled with a few that I still had plans to pursue when offered the opportunity.  My evals were solid.  About 50 chiefs looked at my evals and had little to no critiques.  I got the "N" last year and about went through the roof.

I ended up contacting a Master Chief who had sat the board and sent in my package to him to review and tell me where I went wrong.  He said, number one, that he wished there were more quotas and that it was extremely difficult to rack and stack.  He said that having to move a person worthy of Chief to the no select pile was one of the hardest things he had ever had to do, but that it was a necessity.  He began to tear my package apart, which really pissed me off, by asking a thousand questions about it.  He asked... 

Why don't you have your MOVSM when you have all this volunteerism?  It was all documented, I didn't know I needed it if it was already there.

Why don't you have a degree with all of this college in your record?  I had to switch to a BS due to degree completion timeline requirements at my school.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

Why didn't you have this qual at this command?  I was deployable and my command wouldn't support it because I could leave at any time.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

I didn't see PPME in your record.  Why?  I haven't got to that yet, it is on my list of things to do.

Why weren't you the division LPO?  Again, I was deployable, so I was unable to hold that position.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

Why weren't you in QA?  Deployable.

Why didn't you write that in your LTB?

These were just a few of the questions that were asked, but they went on and on...  This is what I lost...  I missed out on 10 or so points for a MOVSM that would have taken me a whole hour to write and route.  I missed out on 10 or so points for an associates degree by skipping it and going for my BS.  I missed out on points for quals I was ineligible to get.  I missed out on 10 or so points for PPME because PPME is worth the same as an Associates Degree!!!  

This is what I learned... If I had written in my LTB the reasons for all of this I would have received points and then some.  Let me splain...

If I would have explained the issue with the college, I may have received points and possibly more because I was so close to my BS.  I should have sent in my transcripts with an explanation.  If I would have explained the qual issue, I would have probably received more points for my other accomplishments that I did do because I was unable to do the things they were looking for.  Finally, it's all about the points.  

Sadly, they "grade" your package.  This means that they assign a point value for everything that they find and deduct points for negative things they find.  Unfortunately, they are bound by these rules.  Even though I was super successful leading, mentoring and guiding Sailors; I had an impact everywhere I went; I worked on personal and professional development, the points got me in the end.  So I saw people on the list that I knew, that did not work as hard for their Sailors and their Command as I did, get picked up for Chief.  Even though I slaved countless nights working on my degree, it was for not in the end.  

Let me be clear.  I am not crying.  I picked myself up, dusted off and began to address the issues he brought up.  I always told myself that I wouldn't be that guy who had 100 quals and did nothing with them, well I threw that theory out the window. I got my MOVSM, PPME, Addressed the issues in the LTB, accomplished other things and left my recruiting command as the #3 (periodic).

I hope I make it this year, but if I do not, I know that it isn't because I am not deserving of Chief, it is because I didn't attain enough points to be competitive enough.  It's about points points points.  Get everything you can.  Explain things in your record.  Don't worry about sending in too many enclosures or that your LTB explains too much.  In a nutshell, anything you think would count as points, or if you want them to see it, or know why about something, include it in your LTB.  This may be redundant for most of you, but it was an eye opener for me.  I hope this helps someone...  

I appreciate you sharing this @Ordy, it is not redundant at all and I'm sure someone will benefit. 

Also, you don't seem as angry as last year. I really hope you get this one. I didn't know you did so much stuff career-wise! :)

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10 hours ago, fryeguy67 said:

For SBEs, how many enclosures did you send with your LTB and what do you think was the most significant enclosure to push you over the top?

V/R,

AT1(AW/SW)

One enclosure. It was a memo from my detailer saying they broke my rotation for the needs of the Navy.

Sometimes the chips don't fall in your favor and you have a new qual or something just before the board convenes - otherwise you're just wasting paper pointing out the fact that your record is not up to date. LTBs are not a bad thing, they exist because we don't operate in a utopian organization. BUT, if it's a missing xyz from two years ago - you probably should have done your personal diligence and fixed it then. Just my $0.02.

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9 hours ago, Tony said:

It's the combination of a slow network like nmci and this boated software which was buggy upon release version 4. It will be awhile before I switch software and even longer before nmci is improved. 

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NMCI = Navy Making Communications Impossible

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9 hours ago, AWFChief said:

Out of curiosity, how many SBE here submitted a Career Summary Letter?

or maybe this would be an idea for a poll to use for statistics once results come out @Tony

Personally, I sent one in every year except the year I was selected

I sent one in this year

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I did not send in a Career Summary. I was told repeatedly that if it is not mentioned in the official instructions don't do it. It goes in line with the whole following procedures thing. However, I will say that there are probably good reasons to do it. It may depend more on the SBE situation more than anything else. So, overall I am neither for or against them. Just for me it did not feel like the thing to do.

For enclosures I sent in only a couple. But, I guess I did it a little different than most. For example: My Training and Qualification record was not up to date. There were a few schools I had been to that I wanted the board to see. However, they were not listed anywhere in my OMPF. They were schools for me to support outside of my rate. Instead of sending in the complete record, 90% of which was stuff everybody has type things, I sent in only the pages that had the necessary information. In my cover letter I addressed why I was sending in a partial record, and what I wanted them to see on what I did send in. It is a roll of the dice to see how that played out.

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