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    Ok, so I would like to share some gouge I got last year. Let me give you a brief background on me so that this makes sense. Two commands ago I left as the #2 EP (periodic) in my command. I had been an extremely successful LPO in three different positions during my time there. My duty was shore based, but I was deployable. I was very successful on my deployments and was a division chief at a MALS unit overseas in Japan. I had been attending college for 5 years and at the time was 6 or so classes away from my bachelors. Career counselor, lots of volunteerism, Joint service, 7 NAMs, well above CO's average with normal upward progression with sustained superior performance. I then transferred to Recruiting Duty where I flew out the gate as the Rookie Recruiter of the year, then LPO of a recruiting station the following year. I had all the blocks I had the opportunity to check filled with a few that I still had plans to pursue when offered the opportunity. My evals were solid. About 50 chiefs looked at my evals and had little to no critiques. I got the "N" last year and about went through the roof. I ended up contacting a Master Chief who had sat the board and sent in my package to him to review and tell me where I went wrong. He said, number one, that he wished there were more quotas and that it was extremely difficult to rack and stack. He said that having to move a person worthy of Chief to the no select pile was one of the hardest things he had ever had to do, but that it was a necessity. He began to tear my package apart, which really pissed me off, by asking a thousand questions about it. He asked... Why don't you have your MOVSM when you have all this volunteerism? It was all documented, I didn't know I needed it if it was already there. Why don't you have a degree with all of this college in your record? I had to switch to a BS due to degree completion timeline requirements at my school. Why didn't you write that in your LTB? Why didn't you have this qual at this command? I was deployable and my command wouldn't support it because I could leave at any time. Why didn't you write that in your LTB? I didn't see PPME in your record. Why? I haven't got to that yet, it is on my list of things to do. Why weren't you the division LPO? Again, I was deployable, so I was unable to hold that position. Why didn't you write that in your LTB? Why weren't you in QA? Deployable. Why didn't you write that in your LTB? These were just a few of the questions that were asked, but they went on and on... This is what I lost... I missed out on 10 or so points for a MOVSM that would have taken me a whole hour to write and route. I missed out on 10 or so points for an associates degree by skipping it and going for my BS. I missed out on points for quals I was ineligible to get. I missed out on 10 or so points for PPME because PPME is worth the same as an Associates Degree!!! This is what I learned... If I had written in my LTB the reasons for all of this I would have received points and then some. Let me splain... If I would have explained the issue with the college, I may have received points and possibly more because I was so close to my BS. I should have sent in my transcripts with an explanation. If I would have explained the qual issue, I would have probably received more points for my other accomplishments that I did do because I was unable to do the things they were looking for. Finally, it's all about the points. Sadly, they "grade" your package. This means that they assign a point value for everything that they find and deduct points for negative things they find. Unfortunately, they are bound by these rules. Even though I was super successful leading, mentoring and guiding Sailors; I had an impact everywhere I went; I worked on personal and professional development, the points got me in the end. So I saw people on the list that I knew, that did not work as hard for their Sailors and their Command as I did, get picked up for Chief. Even though I slaved countless nights working on my degree, it was for not in the end. Let me be clear. I am not crying. I picked myself up, dusted off and began to address the issues he brought up. I always told myself that I wouldn't be that guy who had 100 quals and did nothing with them, well I threw that theory out the window. I got my MOVSM, PPME, Addressed the issues in the LTB, accomplished other things and left my recruiting command as the #3 (periodic). I hope I make it this year, but if I do not, I know that it isn't because I am not deserving of Chief, it is because I didn't attain enough points to be competitive enough. It's about points points points. Get everything you can. Explain things in your record. Don't worry about sending in too many enclosures or that your LTB explains too much. In a nutshell, anything you think would count as points, or if you want them to see it, or know why about something, include it in your LTB. This may be redundant for most of you, but it was an eye opener for me. I hope this helps someone...
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    Oooo I love this topic. In one breathe, we are preaching that time in service isn't a determinant in being a good sailor. The next is bashing <12 year Chiefs. Highly ironic if you ask me. If you think you having nothing to learn from a person because they have less time in than you, then you are largely mistaken. This is regardless of rank. By assuming you know better than a board of MCPOs, the senior officers chairing the board, the flag that signs off on the selections, the mess that ranked and initiated them, and even the CO who signed their eval to get them there in the first place is pure arrogance. Leadership is the biggest factor for selection, if you don't have it, it doesn't matter how many MOVSMs or JPMEs you have. Most, if not all, Chiefs credit their anchors to their troops and by implying they haven't earned them, degrades every sailor who helped them get there. I was initiated with a 6 1/2 year chief and 19 year chief, both are stellar leaders who earn their anchors everyday.
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    That's not a shipmate, that's a douche. Sadly the world is full of toxic people who try to build themselves up by tearing you down. I'm an 18-year first who's been up for Chief since 2005. And you know what? I'm awesome! I'll be awesome if I make Chief, and I'll be awesome if I don't. It sounds like you've done a great job at being awesome yourself.
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    I have official confirmation from my Chief that he's sick and tired of me pestering him every five minutes for the last month about the results.
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    To change the subject a little I would like to talk about humility. Recently I purchased my gold chevron's with pride. A shipmate who saw me with them said they never want to go "gold" and that by 12 years that you should be a chief. I think it is important to remember this year whether we are selected or not that everyone has a career that is different. If you make it your first time up with less than 12 years I'm happy for you, however it does not make me a bad sailor because I haven't made it. No two careers are alike, please show others respect and dignity as results come out. Others have fought for years for this chance. To the ones that are lucky that never have to know what it's like to be not selected Im happy for you, please stay humble. Take time to celebrate with fellow selects and take time to recognize the disappointment others might be having. It's important to change the culture of thinking that if you're not selected that you're a bad sailor or that you "suck". There's always a need to improve whether are you selected or not. Stay humble stay hungry and most importantly continue doing what you're doing, not to make chief but because you have pride in your work and you want to see other sailors succeeding. Lastly, I take pride in my gold chevron's . I am seasoned and I've been through a lot. My career is unlike any others but I think it's experience that helps build a leader. I love the dynamic and diverse group of people that make up the Navy, and that will one day make up the Chiefs' mess.
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    ahhhhhh feels good... just finished my SEJPME... started on monday finished the last module last night took the test this morning that check in the box is comeplete
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    Someone tell NAC they can't post anything else until they post the result schedule. Heart skips a beat every time I see a post from them.
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    Another week, and still not the time of prophesy. As it is written in the ancient Chief texts: "Lo did the hopefuls creep from their dens. To navyadvancement.com did they creep. To their Chiefs did they cry out, "Now? Can we have the results now?" But it was not to be. Thus did the hopefuls scurry back to their nests, bearing witness to the eternal sadness of anticipation."
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    My Chief just busted me...he figured out who I am on this forum and saw that I've been talking about him!
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    As i read a lot of the comments, one thing that i keep seeing is the "check in the box". FCPO's focusing on SSP/PPME/JPME/USMAPS etc. Yes those things are important no doubt, but make no mistake about it, the most important factor to becoming a Chief is TAKING CARE OF YOUR SAILORS! You don't make Chief because of your accomplishments and qual's etc, you will become a Chief because of your Sailors accomplishments. Your Sailors will get you to Chief, not what you do. If leading, guiding, mentoring, and training your Sailors is not your number one priority, than you need to re-adjust quickly. Cause you won't become a Chief without them. When your Sailors succeed, you succeed as a LPO. When your Sailors fail, you fail. I am sure you all heard that a Chiefs anchors carry weight. It's because we carry the weight of every Sailor that ever worked for us, every Sailor that busted their ***** for us, every Sailor that went above and beyond for us. They are the reason we became Chiefs. My anchors belong to my Sailors just as much as they belong to me. So take a hard look at your eval's. If your eval's are talking about YOU, that's a good indication as to why you are still a FCPO. Your eval's should speak to everything your Sailors accomplished. Stop checking boxes and lead Sailors. Cause that's what Chiefs do. And don't just lead your division Sailors, you lead ALL Sailors. I tell people all the time i have two kids at home and 322,000 at work. Every Sailor is my Sailor! Good luck and i will keep all of you in my prayers. I hope you all receive that coveted "S" next month.
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    I went to a CPO package training event held by a CMC that has stood multiple boards and he brought up the "Member Data Summary" and "Enlisted Qual History" needing to be updated in our OMPF. At that time, I checked mine and saw that there was page 1 of 4 only out of the 4 pages that were supposed to be there for both of them. I had admin print out an updated copy for each of them and had it sent in around February this year. I know they say that they only update it every reenlistment, but it does me no good if it was done incorrectly. It posted the first week of June in my OMPF with all pages accounted for, updated, and good to go, just in time for the board to convene. There is a lot of important information listed in those to two items to include warfare, schools, NEC's etc.... I highly recommend everyone verifying theirs.
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    It'll pick up a bit over next week, then once NAC announces the day of notifications, this thing will explode. It's awesome. Thats when @Tony has the most fun haha
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    Hang in there! Your future has already been decided and no amount of worrying is going to change what has already been foretold! Hug your family, go for a run, play a game, read a book, enjoy life. The time will come! When it does, you will wish you had done those things before the S appeared in your record! Breathe. Now exhale. Repeat. Keep doing this and eventually it will be over.
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    It's the attitude like this that will make for a VERY difficult season.
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    Good morning all.. getting ready for the morning 5k run..hope everyone has a productive day
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    Absolutely, and that's the best time to practice for my "Pulling my hair out" Olympics!
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    I also here maybe pieces of the Heart of Davey Jones
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    It's good to take some time before results come out but use the majority of the time to spend with your family. The season is designed and tailored to get you where you need to be. I'm not saying don't do it but don't make it a priority these next 2 weeks. Best of luck to everyone.
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    I was sending him my daily 0530 text barrage about the results, and he said: "Why don't you ask your friends at navyadvancement.com?" I thought he maybe just knew about the site, until he starting quoting my posts!
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    Ohhh I want to see what your season is going to look like
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    No worries, I'm setting up the first aid station as we speak. The regulars know where its at. Port side, vultures row.
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    I'll be doing a reboot in t -5 minutes. BOATSNUGGYD, it's not BUPERS booty.
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    I understand how having a negative in your record can be disheartening. I had a NJP that was at 4 years and 10 months when I was selected. My advancement was put on hold because of it too. Having negatives in your record makes it hard, but it's all about what you do afterwards. You are at a disadvantage to those that don't have any, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. It just matters who is sitting the board and what those folks that you are going up against have done. Good luck!
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    I know you all are chomping at the bit for results, trust me so are all the Chiefs. No words of wisdom of why or for what reason the delay may be occurring, as those would be to far and wide to cover here. Stay the course and remember that you all may want the results so you can move on, some want them just so they can get the next exam cycle material to start their preps early for the exam to sit here and wait next year. We go through the same thing every year on some point or another, "the results are never on time, or early enough". Then we turn around and the season is too long or "when will it be over?" seems to start being voiced. Over the years we have all heard the nightmare stories of Sailors being notified that they were Selected and it be false and the heartache that brings afterwards. I rather the results be delayed and get it right, than to hear of one of these stories that a Sailor had to go through false notification.
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    If we stay with "tradition", I will be submitting again next year
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    PM me your email address. I have award doc that we have been passing around for a few years that has all kinds of eval bullet points and award inputs. I would be happy to share it with you, that is what it was created for!
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    Good Morning to all fellow firsts anxiously waiting like myself. Spoke to a very close friend and Chief last night, he attended a Regional Mess meeting and the CMC's say the 11th is the date to expect results. That's the word on the street, so i think we can all rest easy for the weekend. Good luck to everyone, I know this feeling is killing some of us, this is my 8th time up so the whole thing gets to me more and more each year.
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    I completely agree with Chief Guns as well as your point. IMO, I think alot of these "checkmark" quantifications is coming from what we, as PO1s read in the precepts/convening orders. It's also what is drilled into our heads many times when we have CDBs: "Did you get your USMAP done? What about taking some college? You need to knock out these PME courses". However, I do believe that the vast majority of the good FCPOs out there know that it's not about you as a performer any longer; it's about those you train and mentor to take over for you.
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    I am also on Instructor Duty. The main thing is that if you have a 9502 NEC, you need your MTS. Now I have heard time and time again that its pretty much a career ender if you don't get it, however we have also been told that the board understands time frames. If you have been at your command for a year or so its probably not going to look bad. For us, we HAVE to wait 6 months after our initial qualification in our first class (if you teach more than one) to go for your Instructor Evaluator and then MTS. Bottom line it takes nearly a year depending on when you do your sit through and when you can do your teach back and other items. But study study study! I have my MTS and I spent many nights going over notes mean while my wife was quizzing me. Use Quizlet (it's an APP on the iPhone and Android phones store). It's free and you can make your own study cards. In fact, if you search for MTS you will find many who have already built theirs and utilize them. I built a set to study with (very effective) and passed it to my coworkers. Next thing I know its going through all of the command and everyone is using it (the set I created). Not trying to brag just offering another very effective tool to accomplish your next task. If you need any help feel free to contact me!
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    Decided to finally stop lurking after about 2 1/2 weeks and join the fun! 5th time taking the exam, first time SBE. And I can honestly say I haven't been nervous about getting the S one ounce. All my career I've gone into every exam with the mindset of "if it's my time, I'll get selected." When I was a 2nd Class for 9 years before I put on 1st Class, but I didn't feel I was ready to be a first class for a long time. Once I felt like I was ready, I put it on after three exam cycles. Now I feel the same way about making Chief. From 2009 to 2013, I felt like I wasn't ready. Now I do, and I'm on exam cycle number three again. If I have the same luck as I did before, that will be great. If not, try again in January. I do have one question for the Chief's of the group.... If I do get selected, do I HAVE to transfer to another command or is it up to my command/detailer?
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    Geesh. Give the rank the respect commensurate with it. Give the person the respect they deserve. Who cares if they have an anchor or bars or chevrons or stripes? To me, it doesn't matter if you're an 8 year Chief, a 6 year LT, a 19 year PO1, or a 6 month SN. I will refer to you by your rank and by the level of responsibility expected of your position. I will look at you as a leader because I think you're a leader.
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    Hey Christyl GREAT post! I'm one of those First Classes that just retired two months ago on May 1st (22 years AD/SELRES side of both houses) with my GOLD chevrons, never selected (board eligible 6 times). As you said humility goes a long way and if you were to talk to my sailors in my unit they would let you know who there "go to" was. Good luck to you all those that get the coveted "S" and for those that do not always remain loyal to your subordinates and support your leadership. In all accounts this is what it is all about!
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    I had a CMC at an old command who put it this way. He asked all FCPO who where up for Chief their first time to raise their hands. Next told all the FCPO who had be up two or more times to raise our hands. He said look around. If you don't have to know the heartache of not being selected good on you but remember most of us out here do and show the respect and be humble. Just because you are not selected your first time or never selected does not mean you are a bad sailor or didn't have what it takes to be a Chief. Sometime our careers don't match the Leader we are. Keep your head up take care of your sailors and yourself. If you let yourself slip how can you take care of sailors so don't forget to do what you need to do as well. Good luck to all.
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    Hahaha you'll have to wait and find out now wont you
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    But game of thrones started back up. Woot.
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    As soon as I saw that post the first thought I had was, "oh snap, people are about to freak out on NAC....."
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    NCR- 37.17% 42 out of 113 hope I am one of the 42!!! good luck to everyone.
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    I was the one that said it gets tired of hearing the same old "keep doing what you're doing" bit. It gets very tiring when you've heard it for a decade. I feel that this year is my best chance to date, and if I don't get selected, I have no idea what the board would want from me.
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    I agree 100%. This is try #9 for me. I'll be honest, I don't think I can take another N. If I do get one, I have no idea what they can tell me at the CDB. I do understand that it is a numbers game, but when your COC tells you "Just keep doing what you're doing", it's extremely, extremely frustrating, especially when I only have two "next times" left.
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    I've been lurking around here for the last 2 cycles just reading and scrolling and finally decided to make an account. God bless and best wishes to all those eligible!
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